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30 August 2008 @ 01:53 pm
Thoughts on Jared's character in Gilmore Girls  
Before I start just want to mention that I figured out what was wrong with my computer.  There was a lot of dust that had collected in the back vent that the fan blows air out of.  And once we'd removed the back and side of the tower, there was a lot of dust inside as well.  Video card seems to be busted, too. A couple of the capacitors were bulged, and one had leaked some gunky residue.  Removed it, went to Micro Center, told technician about it and they gave me a better one.  Going to replace it and hopefully I should be set.  In the meantime, I'm on my laptop.


ETA: Replaced video card and am now up and running! Everything is fine - I can play videos again and everything else. *dances*

Anyway, before all this carp happened, I was rewatching bits of vid of JP in Gilmore Girls, and I thought I'd post my thoughts on it.  Cut because somewhat long...

Okay, first off, I never really watched Gilmore Girls when it was on. I'd vaguely heard of it and it didn't sound much like my kind of show. From what I'd heard of it, it sounded like a soap-operaish, teeny bopper type of thing. My younger friend, who was always into those shows, used to watch it and she remembered Jared from that show. She watches Supernatural now too and is a big Sam girl like me, lol.
Anyway, after I got into Supernatural about a year and a half ago, I did online research like a lot of people do, and when I heard JP had been in the show I got interested. I saw promo pics and whatnot of him in the show on various websites like jared-padalecki.net and so forth. I saw clips posted at dean_sam and had to dl them. Then I saw that the show was being shown on ABC Family (I think). I got curious and started watching it.

To be honest, it's a pretty cute show. Still not something that I'd normally watch, though. And to be honest I found myself identifying more with Lorelei than with Rory ... I guess it's the age thing, lol. The setting of the town seemed like any little New England town that's so small that all of the residents practically know each other's life stories, and you bump into them all the time. It reminded me just a little of Gloucester, Massachusetts, where half my dad's family lived. I'd spend summers up there as a kid and whenever I'd go walking in town or in the neighborhood with my great-aunt, she'd run into so many different people and just knew everyone. It was amazing how often you'd see these different people.

I loved Jared's character, especially in the first couple of seasons. Dean was such a sweetie and anyone could tell that he really cared for Rory. The way he made that bracelet for her, gave her that first kiss, made the car for her, told her that he loved her... and pretty much went along with everything Rory wanted to do because he cared so much for her. It was so sweet and I wished that I'd had a boyfriend like that.

I thought he and Rory were really cute together and I felt so bad for him when she started getting attracted to Jess and started avoiding him. I still can't totally get what is going on with Rory. I think about her family background ... she has a single mom who was raised by these snooty, upper crust parents (almost seemed like real blue-blood types) who wanted the best for their granddaughter, hence the grilling of poor Dean when he met them (and Richard giving him a hard time about the car when he'd finished it for Rory). They seem to have very high standards, and that is reflected upon Rory. She wants to do well in school and get into a great college. We could see that when she was doing all those activities and blowing off Dean because she just had to get them done. She gave Dean a hard time in season 4 when he told her he was taking some time off from school to work so he could afford a townhouse with Lindsey.

She and Dean have very different backgrounds. Like I said she comes from this prominent, upper crust family who has high standards and believes they deserve everything. Dean is more of a red-blooded, lower-middle class type kid who believes it's important to work hard in order to get what you want. He built the car for Rory himself. What he told Rory that one time, about going to college not guaranteeing you a job anymore, is very true. Despite their different backgrounds and different outlooks on life, Dean really cared for her and wanted to do the best he could for her.

I still can't figure out what attracted her to Jess. Was she getting tired of Dean and the "nice boy" persona of his? Did she become attracted to Jess because he was a misfit and did little things to make it seem that he was interested in her? I could see her being flattered - I mean, she seemed flattered (though perhaps a bit taken aback at first) that Dean liked her in season 1. I felt bad for Dean because he always wanted to get together with her in season 2, even though she was so busy with all those activities for her college application. I think part of it was that he was worried that he would lose Rory to Jess. I'm familiar with that type of attitude because I once dated a guy who was smothering me. He'd call every day and sometimes more than once a day. I found out he'd dated a girl for 6 years, was going to propose to her, and then learned she was with another guy.

I had to give major props to Dean for finally blowing Rory off in the episode with the dance off ("They Shoot Gilmores, Don't They?" from season 3). It was obvious that she was so hung up on Jess, even if she tried to make it seem like she was bothered by him hanging around. Dean was not stupid and could see through it. I was surprised he'd put up with it for so long. I thought it was awful when Rory and Jess went for a ride in the car Dean made her, totaled it, and Rory ended up breaking her arm. When Dean asked her "is he really gone?" I knew he wouldn't be. I think Dean should have been a bit suspicious of that. Maybe he was, I don't know...

We didn't see much of Dean with Lindsey, but I had my suspicions on whether Dean loved her as much as he'd once loved Rory. At times it almost seemed like he'd gotten together with her to get over Rory, that perhaps he wasn't 100% in love with her. Even though I wasn't that crazy about Lindsey, I think she genuinely loved Dean and I felt bad when she found that letter and learned that Dean had slept with Rory.

I liked how Dean remained friends with Rory after they broke up. I have to give him a lot of credit for that. A lot of people when they break up with their boyfriend/girlfriend, are so upset or angry about the whole thing that they just don't want to see them again.

I wasn't a big fan of Jess. I guess I'm not into the bad-guy-who-needs-someone-to-help-redeem-him type of charcter. I just found him very annoying and I thought he treated Rory pretty badly most of the time. I loved how Dean told Rory "I'm sorry that Jess treats you like dirt" at the end of season 3 when he told Rory he was marrying Lindsey. He was right and the lame way Rory said "Jess doesn't treat me like dirt!" showed that even she didn't believe it.

It seemed that they started ruining Dean's character in order to make Jess' character look better. I'm not exactly sure when this started, maybe towards the end of season 2? I've been on some boards and forums for GG, and it seems that many anti-Dean fans complain that he was too possessive of Rory. I never noticed that. Most of these people were pro-Rory people and Rory/Jess shippers though.

You could tell that Dean still had some underlying feelings for Rory, even when he was about to marry Lindsey. When he ended up at Luke's with the other guys during his bachelor party, and kept repeating Rory's name in his drunkenness, I felt bad for him. When Luke put him up for the night and he settled onto the bed, his "why didn't she love me" broke my heart. I think Luke should have said something to him about it, not try to keep Rory from attending the wedding. I was pretty ticked off with Luke there.

Then we didn't see Dean again till late in season 4. I think they totally trashed his character when they had him sleep with Rory. If this had been the Dean of season 1/2, he wouldn't have slept with someone if he was married to someone else. I wonder if his fighting with Lindsey that we saw was that they actually clashed, or if he did it because he was looking for excuses to not make the marriage work with Lindsey. He told Rory that he couldn't make the marriage work, that he wasn't happy and there was nothing they could do. Lindsey seemed committed to the relationship, though, so I wonder if Dean was exaggerating to Rory or if he just didn't want to make it work on his end.

And then after they sleep together, Rory just up and leaves the country with her grandmother, not even talking to Dean beforehand. [and insert shallow ponderings here: was I the only one who found it a bit funny that in the finale of season 4, Dean had that stubble and slight mustache, but in the season 5 premiere - which takes place at the same time the s4 finale did - he was clean shaven? Heh. And another pondering ... why did Dean's hair change so much from episode 1 to 2 of season 5 (long and shaggy to quite short)? I know, I obsess over minor details too much, lol]

I liked that Rory and Dean started doing things again, but I knew it wouldn't last when they both started getting really busy and couldn't find time to spend together. I felt so bad for Dean in "The Party's Over", when he goes to pick Rory up from the party and sees her come out with all the guys. He didn't expect this and I think it make him realize how different he and Rory are, and that Rory really isn't looking for someone like him.

The thing that bugs me about Rory is that she does things like this and just expects Dean to roll over and accept it. Like a guy who's dating or married to a girl who goes out with (or sleeps with) other guys and expects her boyfriend/husband to think it's okay. I've always wondered if Rory is really the type of girl to settle down. Look at her mom. She's single and has had a few flings during the show, but from what I've seen (I didn't really watch the shows after Jared left much) she never really ended up with anyone. Rory had Dean, Jess, and that guy Logan. And I heard that in the end she decided against being with Logan because she wanted go along as a journalist on some presidential campaign, or something to that effect. I think both she and her mother have that liberated, feminist mindset that they really don't need men. They also might be flattered by the attention a guy gives them, but in the end they don't want to commit. That's just the impression that I got. Dean seems to be the kind of guy who is looking to settle down in a committed relationship.

As for Dean, I hated the way they just had him in "The Party's Over," then brought him back again about 10 episodes later, seeming like a bitter type of jerk. He was right in what he said to Luke, though. They (meaning Rory and Lorelei) don't want something like this (meaning a working relationship). I just thought it wasn't a good ending for Dean's character. They could have ended his story in a graceful way, but no. I thought I'd heard that they'd had thoughts of bringing him back for other appearances, but by that time Jared was too busy with Supernatural.

But in the beginning I thought Dean was such a sweetie and I thought he and Rory were so cute together. He even had some cute interaction with Lorelei throughout most of the series.

So, those are my rambling thoughts. I just wanted to voice them, and I don't feel comfortable joining any GG boards because it seems that most of the people on them bash Dean.
 
 
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jessm78: Sam smiling in Salvationjessm78 on August 30th, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
Sorry about that. The formatting is all wonky for some reason... I can't do the Rich Text thingie. I went back and did it all with the html formatting and I think it's okay now.
ckll: pic#jareddrunkckll on August 30th, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Missed your puppy picsspams *pets*
You're right about what you say here. Dean was the best bf that anyone can have but Rory seemed to look in other things and perspectives in her life.
Maybe she wanted a badass guy like Jess to see how it feels like.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 30th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
Aw thanks hon :) I have my computer working again so I should begin the puppy picspams again on Monday.

Rory didn't know a good thing when she saw it, did she. I think you could be right about that.

I love your avatar. Where did you find the pic for it?
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blackbirdj2: Jaredprettyblackbirdj2 on August 30th, 2008 03:33 pm (UTC)
I HATED that Rory fell for Jess. I didn't like the character at all, and seriously, DEAN was a great guy. We all wanted to have him as a boyfriend. ♥

My sister and I watched the show together and we fell in love with Dean from the first moment we saw him. Last May, when I went to Asylum, my sister had no idea why, and when I told her I was going to meet some actors she was like "you're crazy". Then I told her I was going to meet "Dean" (she only needed the one word) (before Jared cancelled) and she immediately went like "OMG, get me his autograph". :P We really had a huge crush on Dean Forrester. :D
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 30th, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)
Me too. I hated that Jess was such a troublemaker and liked to give Dean a hard time. And it seemed that Rory was jealous that Jess showed up with another girl at the beginning of season 3. I hated how Dean welcomed her back and hugged her, while she keeps looking over her shoulder at Jess and his new girlfriend. :(

When I first saw Jared in the first episode, I was squeeeing. *g* I thought he was so adorable. LOL! Aw, was your sister disappointed when she found out you were talking about the other Dean? ;)

I still say to this day that I really wish I had a boyfriend like him. :)
Andy: SPN - Young Jared Padaleckirule_number_7 on August 30th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
I've always said the show went downhill after season 1, in my opinion. I actually just finished the last season today and... Every relationship in that show was turned into this complicated thing. Really annoying.

I would say more but I have a feeling it would end up being a rant as long as yours lol I pretty much agree with everything you said.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 30th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I have to admit that's pretty much the way I feel about it. I saw things changing after season 1, and not really for the better. I didn't watch much of the final season, but from all I've heard things got really complicated.

lol, before I started this entry I thought I'd end up with 2 paragraphs at most. When I get started on a rant that's it. *g*

But thanks :)
Working for the Mandroid: brothers (winchester)moonshayde on August 30th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
That's a shame. I had heard his character got trashed near the end. I never watched this show, though, because it's not my kind of thing.

Though, they sort of did the same thing to Jensen Ackles' character on Smallville as he was written out.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 30th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's not really my kind of thing either. I got curious when I heard Jared was in it and wanted to see what his role was like.

I saw Jensen in Smallville too, and I agree ... wasn't too happy about what they'd done there. :(
Danipinkphoenix1985 on August 30th, 2008 05:13 pm (UTC)
very good review on Dean's character! I totally agree with you
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 30th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
*smiles* Thank you so much! :)
Fabifabilimah on August 30th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
nice thoughts hon.
I saw some GG episodes and completely felt in love with Dean. He was (is?) the model of boyfriend to me.
I remember I got so pissed when Rory started to fall for Jess making Dean get in hurt.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on September 2nd, 2008 11:32 am (UTC)
Thanks hon!

I did too. He was so lovely. I think he was the ideal boyfriend.

I felt so bad for Dean when Rory was acting that way. I just wanted to hug him :(
lovetheguyslovetheguys on August 30th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Rory was pretty cruel to Dean. I think she dumped him three different times, if I'm not mistaken--once when he told her he loved her and she couldn't say it back; the second time when she fell for Jess and instead of just breaking it off cleanly and honestly with Dean, she essentially forced him to break up with her; and finally when he saw Rory, drunk, exit her grandparents' house with the rich crowd from the "Secret Brigade," or whatever it was called, and realized they would never be a good fit. She knew Dean was meeting her there, but it seemed she was so busy with her friends, she forgot. Dean was very bitter, too, that he had broken up his marriage for Rory. Not that he was blameless, of course, but it was clear that he never stopped loving Rory. I always felt it ironic that Dean gave her both her first kiss--and her first f**k. And they even did it at Miss Patty's, where they innocently fell asleep three years earlier, leaving Lorelei and her mother frantic over Rory's whereabouts.

Ah, good times. I loved GG, even if it did go downhill in its last couple of years.

Love, Robin
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on September 2nd, 2008 11:38 am (UTC)
Oh, definitely. I think you're right... though I can't remember if she dumped him after she didn't say "I love you" back, or if he unceremoniously "dumped" her then (although I don't think I'd blame him for doing so). Rory did pretty much force him to break up with her the other two times. The fact that Dean broke up his marriage for Rory shows just how much he cared for her, the lengths he was willing to go in order to be with her. And after all that, the way she blew him off made me feel so bad for him. I don't know if she just has trouble committing, or she has ADD when it comes to relationships, or she just doesn't have her priorities straight.

Good point about the irony with getting her first kiss from Dean, and losing her virginity to him. I didn't blame Dean for being bitter about the whole thing. I wish they'd wrapped everything up a little better for his character.
Daisydaisychain1957 on August 31st, 2008 03:23 am (UTC)
I've only seen oddments of JP in GG (I'm a little 'mature' for a series like GG lol - though *not* toooooo 'mature' for Jared OK, I lie). This has been an interesting insight to the show - maybe I will look it up more :)

I look forward to the return of Puppy!Sam, though I'm bad for not commenting!!!
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 31st, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
*grin* I know what you mean. I'd thought I was a bit too mature for the series myself, but got curious once I heard Jared was in it. Still not the sort of thing I'm into, but for him I made the exception. ;)

Thanks! Aw, no problem. I've been woefully behind on replying to comments myself, with all the computer problems I've been having recently.
piratelf: Piratelf12piratelf on August 31st, 2008 04:41 am (UTC)
Your thoughts on Dean Forester are very interesting and I agree with you! I did however see that Lindsay had her part in the discord in the marriage. They obviously got married too soon and too young. I can understand that Dean might have thought that if he married her he couldn't lose her, like he did Rory, but where were his parents? You would think someone besides Rory would be telling him this was a bad idea. in "Scene in a Mall" Dean tells Luke that Lindsay's parents are at their apartment all the time and that he leaves, often, after dinner and no one even notices. In "Tick, Tick, Tick, Boom" we find out that Lindsay wants a townhouse by the end of the year, so Dean has quit college to make more money, and that Lindsay herself does not have a job. In "Luke Can See Her Face" she goes to the Inn where Dean is working extra hours to yell at him because she wants to go out. There he says thet she wants a townhouse and she wants a car, so he has to work to make money to get her what she wants, but she complains that they don't go out enough and he works too much. She doesn't seem to have a clear idea about money. She seems to me to be very spoiled. She still wants Mommy and Daddy around, though she's married. She wants things that are outrageously extravagant for a young couple in their first year of marriage. Even in the first scene that we see her in in "Tick, Tick, Tick, Boom" she is getting not only the keys but also a credit card from Dean. And in "Scene in a Mall" when she brings Dean lunch, she and her Mom say that they have found a new dry cleaner. If Dean had to quit school to make enough money for her, why on earth is she having anything dry cleaned? Even in trying to please Dean by making him roast beef, in "Say Goodbye To Daisy Miller" she is just wasting money. She knows she can't cook and she has bought and ruined two roasts? She should be making him cheeseburgers! At least if she ruins them she hasn't wasted as much money.

Anyway, I think that this is what Dean means by saying that the marriage isn't working, Lindsay isn't happy and he can't make her happy.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on August 31st, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
Wow, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts! :)

I agree, I definitely think that they were both too young to get married. The whole thing seemed rushed, like they hadn't thought it through enough.

Thanks for bringing up the scene in "Luke Can See Her Face" - I totally forgot about that one. Lindsey did seem pretty spoiled to me with the way she wanted all these extravagant things (the townhouse, the car, etc.). How did she think she was going to get them? Of course Dean would have to work hard to earn the money. I think she was so used to having her parents around and getting things easily.

Yeah, I think that's probably what he meant by it. And if Dean had to sneak out like that without them noticing, he couldn't have been too happy either.

I had to wonder what his parents thought about it, too. I was surprised we didn't even get any references to how they felt about the whole thing.
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J: narco - kissnandogirl on September 1st, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
i fell in love with Jared when he was on GG :) i loved Rory and Dean so much! but i agree that they totally ruined his character!

and also, having just recently watched the beginning of season five again, something that really annoys me is that at season four they made Lindsay this bitch so that everyone would hate her and kind of want rory and dean to get back together but as soon as they'd slept together, in the first episode of season five they made lindsay the "victim", with her acting nice all of a sudden and making roast for Dean and being sad because they'd always fight when in season four, she was the one fighting all the time!

they really wanted you to hate Dean at that point and i hate that so much! i hate that they ruined Dean and their relationship, cause it was so great in the beginning and then they changed it so much :(

but it's okay. I'll just read all those happy future-Rory/Dean fics that are out there and totally pretend that's how it happened in the end XD

great post btw! ♥
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on September 2nd, 2008 11:53 am (UTC)
Thanks for bringing that up! That so annoyed me, too. Lindsey really started annoying me in season four, the way she followed Dean to work and chewed him out because she wanted them to go out and do stuff, and didn't seem to understand that he had to work overtime in order to afford all the extravagant things she wanted. And then suddenly when season five started, she was acting like this hurt little kitten. I'll never forget in "Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller" when Dean comes home, her whole innocent "you worked late again"/"want some brownies? My mom dropped them off and put gummy worms in them like I'm three, teehee"/"I don't want to fight, we always fight"/"I'm sorry...coming to bed?" routine.

I do think that was part of the writers' goal to make the viewers hate Dean and I thought it was ridiculous. It's really sad what they did to the whole relationship. :(

Gotta love the fics! As one of my friends used to say, Fanfic fixes all woes :D

Thanks so much! :)
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poundpuppy_29: pic#78173198poundpuppy_29 on September 2nd, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
I loved GG it was one of my favorite series. I agree with you in some points that you said. I liked Lorilei too she was the show for me Rory annoyed more times than not. I liked Dean and and Jess both were interesting characters for Rory. This is how I saw the relationship of Dean & Rory, Dean was Rory's first real boyfriend and I agree Dean was changed at times I think they were trying to find a way to write Jared out I don't know I wasn't online when I watched the show so I have no idea about the fandom. Rory didn't know what she wanted I think Dean was safe I think for her and Jess was dangerous. I think Dean got married too young this is JMHO but I don't think he was ready to really settle down and Rory coming around didn't help but how they broke up for good worked for me, it wasn't meant to be she couldn't stay safe with him they were going in different directions. I think how they were "together" the first time was awesome in terms of drama and story but it made both Rory and Dean look bad. I just think Dean was a good first boyfriend Jess was the guy who broke her heart and Logan was her first grown up boyfriend how they ended that worked for me too Rory needed to see the world and Logan was ready to settle down. When I have money I really can't wait to get the DVDs to rewatch it again would be interesting.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Gilmore Girls promojessm78 on September 3rd, 2008 08:14 am (UTC)
Hey that's cool that you've seen it and are a fan. :) Yeah I have to admit that Rory did annoy me quite a bit sometimes. I wasn't online when the show was on either but I was reading a discussion in a GG thread on one of the Supernatural forums as I was watching them again. I could really see what a lot of people were saying and kinda followed along with the discussion as I watched. Then I did an internet search and found GG forums where people were bashing Dean and Dean/Rory a lot (I think the one on tv.com is one of them).

Yeah I agree that Dean got married too young, they rushed into things and I don't think that either he or Lindsey gave much thought to how their lives would change (and Dean probably didn't realize how much he'd have to work to afford the things Lindsey wanted, or he didn't realize how much she really wanted; Lindsey probably didn't think he would mind at all).

But in the end you're right, Dean was a great first boyfriend and they were awesome together in the beginning. Thanks for sharing your thoughts hon, I really appreciate it. :) I should ask my friend if she has the DVDs, maybe I could borrow them from her, lol
hot_craving: samhot_craving on September 5th, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
loved Dean on GG
I loved the beginner Dean like you said he and Rory hit it off then Lorelei fell in line. Of course, on that type of show love is never a happy ending. I mean after a while he and Rory barely had time to kiss, then she was all over Jess. The thing with them sleeping together was almost out of the blue but way out of character for miss make pros/cons lists. She believed what she wanted to about Dean's marriage. That whole thing was shocking and a mistep for the show.

Though I actually liked both Jess and Logan in the long run it is true the Girls are more feminist than anything else so oh well life goes on. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
tiah15: Reikotiah15 on September 5th, 2008 05:16 am (UTC)
Late comment but I was on vacation :)
I started watching Gilmore Girls because it aired after 7th Heaven I believe and loved Dean from the beginning. He was cute and nice, a real sweetheart. When he left the show so did I :D Rory treated him badly and I think the writers wanted to appeal to that cliché that girls always want the bad boy, not the good guy. Personally I've never been attracted to that - it's too much opposite from my character and I thought it didn't fit with Rory's either. The best part of the show is the dialogue - it's probably the best I've ever seen when Rory and Lorelei start :D
Oh well, I started to watch Supernatural because of Jared but it didn't hold my interest (unfortunately we don't have the million reruns of shows you seem to have or I might give it another shot). The most confusing thing for me was that Dean is now Sam and 'the other guy' is Dean :P Bad coincidence.