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05 February 2009 @ 10:00 pm
Supernatural #4x14 Sex and Violence (episode review)  
I actually managed to jot down a few notes here and there during the commercial breaks. *g*  What can I say, I didn't want to miss much, lol.  Anyway, here are my thoughts upon viewing this episode...

Okay, as soon as I saw the recap, I knew this was going to get into something heavy. Especially with the Sam/Ruby clips and Castiel telling Dean Sam is heading down a dangerous path. :/

Geez, that couple in the beginning... that guy was wigging out a little too much over his wife accepting a birthday party invitation.  Yeah, something supernatural just has to be involved.  Oh, and then he goes to town on her with a meat tenderizer (I knew as soon as I saw her using that thing in the beginning, it was gonna be a huge part in this episode... yep...).

Okay, and now for something completely shallow....  the boys are both very pretty in this ep! Again.  Wow, how can we possibly put up with so much prettiness?? At least 3 eps in a row now! Are we going to keep up this trend for the next episode? Psshht!!

But in all seriousness... Sammy was just beautiful in the beginning when he woke Dean up in the hotel room ("up and at 'em, kiddo"... hee, who's the older brother?), with that shirt and his hair all floppy and falling in his face... *happy sigh*  Then there's plenty of boys in suits.  Always nice. *nods*  And of course sleeping!Dean :D

Speaking of the beginning, when I saw Sam on the phone I thought, "oh, let me guess... he's talking to Ruby."  But no, it had to be Bobby.  Yes, it was Bobby.  Okay, I'm good...

So, Agent Puppy...er,Sam... and Agent Dean talk to the guy who murdered his wife in the teaser.  He admits he was in total control of what he was doing, but then breaks down a little and admits he loved his wife and they were happy.

Then we see Sam talking to the doctor.  Hmm, there's something up with her, especially from the way she flirts with Sam (not that I could blame her of course, but still...).  We'll come back to that later.

Hmm... Dean finds Sam's phone and Ruby's number on it.  He calls it and she answers, expecting to hear Sam.  Dean doesn't look all that happy.  Hmmm.... some kind of foreshadowing?

Bobby has lore on sirens ... the ones from Greek mythology.  That was kinda cool.  Not cool though how one of them gets that guy to kill his elderly infirmed mother, though. *shudders* They really are powerful buggers, aren't they?  And eeek, how ugly they looked in mirrors.  When I first saw that it instantly reminded me of The Kids Are Alright and the changeling kids (seeing their real appearance reflected in the mirror).

Ah, Dean and Sam in the strip club, trying to talk to each other over the loud music.  I loved Sam's reaction when Dean mentions hyacinths (I think that was what he said), and then Dean saying "what? I read!" Heh.  We know you do, Dean. :) I also love how excited Dean is that they're finally working a case that involves strippers.

Our intrepid agents visit the doctor once again, when, surprise, an *actual* FBI agent appears.  And he grills them on their names, badge numbers, and all that.  Oh, they were not expecting that.  I love how Dean put him in touch with Bobby though, who really gave it to that guy.  WTG, Bobby! Loved his collection of labeled phones with "FBI" etc. on them.  And of course Bobby muttering "idjits" when he hung up.

Sam goes back to see the doctor, hoping to get some of those blood samples (that are supposed to be contaminated with that chemical).  But the samples are gone.  Dean meets up with the FBI guy in the strip club.  Heh, gotta love them doing their rock and roll trivia!  But I dunno, something seems up with him too.  Will have to keep an eye on him...

FBI guy mentions that at the murder scenes, flowers were found... which end up to be hyacinths... which is exactly what is in the doctor's office.

Which is where Sammy is.  Oh, no.

There she is, coming on to Sam again.  Pouring him a drink.  Oh, Sam, really, you should have refused, sweetie. Then his phone rings and she purrs "do you have to get that?" Ugh, yeah, he's under her spell now.  *sigh* No, Sam!! Answer the phone......   yeah, like he'll hear me.... *tsk*

Oh, my... okay, I'm stuck between drooling and screaming in terror.  They strip and apparently do the deed.  Sam, you are gorgeous, but, oh, this isn't going to be good.

While Dean is on the phone with Sam, it's easy to see that Sam is under her spell.  He insists that Karen (the doctor) isn't the siren because he has a hunch.  Dean naturally doesn't go for that and thinks that Sam slept with her.  "First Madison, then Ruby and now Karen.  What is it with you banging monsters?" Heh.  I'd laugh even more if it wasn't sad.  Sam insists he's not under her spell but Dean tells him he has to take care of this himself.  In a little fit of rage, Sam throws the phone down.

Okay, FBI guy is getting just a leeeettle bit too friendly with Dean for my comfort.  Something's definitely up.  And Dean just has to share his flask with the guy.  "You should have wiped off the lid." And we see his real self in the rear view mirror. 

AHA!! So this was the spoiler that was getting everyone up in arms!! FBIGuy!Siren telling Dean that he could be his little brother and trying to get him to kill Sam.  Nooooo!!! Don't do it, Dean!

So, we get FBIGuy!Siren pitting brother against brother.  Dean talks about how Sam has changed, how he's noticed the little things like the secrets Sam has been keeping and about Ruby.  Sam tells Dean that he's weak; that Sam is a better, stronger hunter than he is, and Dean is holding him back with the way he sits around feeling sorry for himself and all the souls he killed.  "Boo hoo."  Okay, maybe I'm nuts but the way he said "boo hoo" just about killed me.  Reminded me of Demon!Sam aka Meg!Sam from BUABS.  Ohhh, my.  *fans self*

Anyway, the boys have it out.  I got worried there when Dean grabbed Sam and stuck the knife to his neck.  Thankfully he didn't go farther than giving Sam a little cut... *whew*... and then of course FBIGuy!Siren turns Sam loose on Dean.

Bobby to the rescue! I was a little worried it would be Ruby since Genevieve's name was in the credits. And again I'm sorry to the big Ruby fans, but I would rather it be either Dean fighting the spell FBIGuy!Siren put on him and letting Sam go (but that would have been too easy, I guess...), or Bobby since he was featured in this ep anyway.  So Bobby basically ends FBIGuy!Siren the way they took out the Trickster (but did not kill him) in Tall Tales.

The boys are released from the control of the siren, and exchange a protracted stare.  They're relieved that they're both okay (at least physically), but I wonder if they're starting to think of all they'd said to each other before. 

Bobby asks if they're okay and reminds them of how powerful the sirens are.  We get a bit of brotherly bonding (always nice), where Sam asks Dean if they're good, even after all that happened.  They ride off into the late-day (I guess) sun, and that's it.

Boo, CW!! No previews for next episode! Yeah, I know it won't be until March 5th, but still...  *sigh*

Anyway, a few final thoughts: Seems like the boys may have had a little guilt at the end over what they'd said to each other.  I'm really wondering if some of their inner demons regarding each other were laid out in the open during this showdown.  It really seemed like it.  We know that Dean hasn't been happy about Sam dealing with Ruby, that he's been honing his powers and what Cas told him earlier is probably still ringing in his head.  Not sure about Sam, though.  I wonder if he could actually be getting fed up with Dean feeling sorry for himself over his time in Hell and thinking that Dean is holding him back from his ultimate mission.  If that's the case, then it shows just how much Sammy has changed, and that leaves me feeling a little sad. :(  *sniffle*  I know Jared has said he'd like to see Sam go darkside or at least close to it ... but, if he has to, I really hope he can be redeemed! *hopes beyond all hope*

It seems like this is setting us up for some brother-against-brother type of deal that could be shown later on.  In the end I really hope they can come back together, though.  I want these guys fighting on the same side again, eventually at least.  If Show doesn't end up going that way, I guess we'll have to turn to fanfic.

So, all in all, this episode wasn't half bad.  The fact that Ruby didn't appear in it (and *especially* didn't save the day) made it better for me.  The boys in all their shallow finery (though I'm not too crazy about seeing Sammy with his hair pushed back behind his ears so often like in the final scene... *shrugs* oh well, not much of a big deal) was a huge plus, too. And it was really nice seeing Bobby again. 

Only thing is I found it a little predictable.  Early on I knew something had to be up with the doctor and even the FBI guy (though I wasn't suspicious of him quite as early as I was with the doctor).  But still, I didn't hate this episode.

So, no new episodes until March 5. *pouts* Oh well, hopefully the time will go by quick.
Current Mood: draineddrained
Jess: ilu Sammyjessicamee on February 6th, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
called Bela? i thought that number was Ruby.

i knew as soon as he hung up the phone with Bobby. i was like, OH CRAP, THAT'S THE MALE SIREN, DON'T BE AN IDIOT, DEAN~
i thought the doctor was still a siren too, though, and they were working together. but after Dean and Sam talked on the phone and Dean was being all ~untrusty~ of him, i was like, that's it. it's Dean. he's gone. gosh darn it Dean, i told you not to be stupid.

jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 01:12 pm (UTC)
eep! I meant Ruby! Sorry, it was late and my brain was only half-functioning, lol. Fixing it now.

Yeah, that's a good point... I knew something had to be up when that happened. And Dean being all untrusty really had me wondering. Yep, he was lost. I had an inkling that Sam wasn't the one who was being affected ... So the siren had moved on from the doctor into the FBI guy at that point? She (doctor) was just coming on to Sam of her own free will? Or was she still the siren then? The timing is kinda confusing me a little.

*sigh* Yep... I can't remember where I read that, but we're on another month-long hiatus. *curses CW*
Jess: wee!Sammyjessicamee on February 6th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
i thought the siren was just transforming into different-looking people, not possessing them. that was my interpretation. i don't think the doctor was ever a siren.

jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think at first I thought there were actually two sirens (gah, that whole thing just confused me at first). But you're right. I think what made me think she was a siren was the whole thing with the hyacinths and then Sam not answering his phone. But after watching it again I just picked up that she had the hots for her and he was reciprocating.

Still it was a pretty good red herring of sorts.
Jess: Impalajessicamee on February 7th, 2009 03:20 am (UTC)
yeah it was. i was convinced it was her up til the very end of the episode.
deej1957deej1957 on February 6th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
The doctor never was the Siren. She was simply hot for Sam and Sam was hot for her. Bang.

The Siren was with Dean when the two of them saw the doctor walk into the strip joint (although what she was doing there I've no clue).

Dean totally blew it in this episode.
jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 09:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah, upon further viewing I finally picked that up. The first time I saw it I was confused with the whole deal with the hyacinths in her office, then Sam not answering his phone when it was ringing. But I totally get that she just had the hots for him and he was reciprocating.

I had a funny feeling about the FBI guy all along. And I have no idea why the doctor was going into the strip joint either.

*nods* That he did.
lovetheguyslovetheguys on February 6th, 2009 12:17 pm (UTC)
I was TOTALLY surprised that Nick turned out to be the Siren. I was SURE it was Cora. Great red herring. A lot of folks apparently already knew Nick was the MOTW, which surely had to spoil this ep for them. I'm glad I didn't know in advance.

Sam said terrible things to Dean, yes, but we always have to remember--SAM WAS DEAD. He didn't ask to be brought back to life, and it was Dean's selfish inability to live without him that made him bring him back, thus forcing him to make the deal to do so. We can go back further and argue that Sam should have killed Jake, nipping this thing in the bud from the get go, but for that matter, we can go all the way back to Mary, who could have nipped EVERYTHING in the bud by letting JOHN stay dead!

Winchesters love too damn hard, that's the biggest problem of all!

Love, Robin
jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
I was sure that it was her, too. And didn't Bobby say that the sirens can morph into different people? So then I started thinking that maybe she was the siren at first, but then it morphed into Nick. I guess the whole thing with the hyacinths was a red herring. Very well done. I knew something was fishy though with Nick the way he seemed so chummy with Dean (and I didn't know about the spoilers either).

I know Sam has told Dean before that what he did was selfish (didn't he say that some time in season 3? I can't remember right now which episode it was), and I completely understood what he meant. I wasn't trying to say it was WRONG what he had said to Dean in this episode -- far from it. I'm sorry if that's the message that got across from my post. It was the whole thing about Dean being weak and holding Sam back from his goal of killing Lilith that kind of stung. But I'm not faulting him.

And I agree, we'd have to go pretty far back in time to nip that whole thing in the bud! That is the big problem: their intense desire to sacrifice themselves for one another is their big weakness.
deej1957deej1957 on February 6th, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
I was "eh" about this epsiode, but then I've been unhappy since the end of season two. I'm glad we're finally getting some Sam development, but I'm unhappy with the direction it seems to be leading.

I don't want an evil Sam--NONE of what's happened has been his fault! DEAN started it when he went back in time and brought YED's attention to Mary and the Winchesters. Sam is simply doing the best he can with the hand he was unfairly dealt.

I hate the Sam's innate goodness and faith could be wiped out like that.
jessm78: Supernatural: Puppy Sam (from ELAC)jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that was one thing that redeemed this episode for me, the Sam development. And I agree, I'm getting pretty worried about the way it all seems to be turning.

No evil Sam for me either! I know that Jared has said he'd like to see Sam go darkside or close to it, but I really, really wouldn't be happy.

Me too. I really want him to be redeemed, not keep traveling down this dark path.
deej1957deej1957 on February 6th, 2009 09:46 pm (UTC)
hey--you have a great time tomorrow! I hope you get lots of good pics!!!
jessm78: Sam smiling in Salvationjessm78 on February 6th, 2009 10:01 pm (UTC)
Thanks!! Me too :) I have no idea where we're sitting, but I've got my trusty telephoto lens with me so hopefully I'll get some good ones!
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jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)
Maybe changlings and sirens are from the same "genus" of monsters?

Oooh, that's an interesting theory! Hmm.... maybe!

wyntertwilight: (spn) winchesterswyntertwilight on February 6th, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)
(I knew as soon as I saw her using that thing in the beginning, it was gonna be a huge part in this episode... yep...)

Same here, I saw that thing and I was like "yup, she's gonna kill her husband with that", and then he came home all pissed and I was like "scratch that, she's dead."

They really are powerful buggers, aren't they? And eeek, how ugly they looked in mirrors.

They were disgusting!!! Possibly the ickiest thing we've seen on the show in a while.

Bobby was made of so much win in this episode, it hurts. Actually, he's made of win all the time, but man, he just rocked this one.

I agree with what you said about the stuff the boys said to each other, that was so horrible, because it's obviously come from somewhere, they didn't just make it up. And it's just...no! How did our boys get to this point?! They're drifting further apart than actually working together and it's awful :-(

And yeah, Ruby can just piss off and die, seriously. I'm so glad she didn't ruin this episode for me.
jessm78jessm78 on February 6th, 2009 10:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they really were icky :P

It was so great seeing Bobby again. And especially with him being so full of win ... even more so than usual!

Oh, I know! It's so heartbreaking. :( I keep thinking back to the way things were in seasons 1 and 2. I miss when they would work together on a case and now they're drifting apart, keeping secrets from each other and not trusting each other much. *sigh* I guess it had to happen, but that doesn't make me like it anymore. I just hope that at the very end (at least), they'll come back together.

Heh... so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! I saw her in the preview and then the actress' name (who I have nothing against as a person, just the character she plays) and thought, oh no... But at least it was just her voice.