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14 March 2007 @ 01:33 pm
Well, it's over...  
... and truth be told, I am sad.  But, at the same time, I couldn't be more relieved.  I'm sorry if this offends anyone and if you did like the final episode, I'm happy for you.  But I can't help how I feel.

I said I was sad, and not so much that the show is ending although that's part of it, but I'm also sad about how it ended.  They could have done something nice and had a nice tribute to the team dynamic and to the old friendships.  Last I checked they only touched on Sam/Teal'c.

No offense to any D/V shippers reading this, but I found the way that all happened very unrealistic and not very believable.  Daniel rebuff's Vala's come-on attempts, finally going off on her and saying that he couldn't have a relationship with her and all that.  She acts all weepy, and then he kisses her and leads her to his bed!! Um... did I miss something here?? What the heck happened?!  I'm sorry but that didn't make much sense and it seemed a bit out of character to me.

Why oh why did they have to kill off the Asgard?! Did that make any sense to anyone?

I hated the Christmas party scene.  Vala sitting on Daniel's lap looked sooooooooo ridiculous to me.  And of course he ignored Sam.  I was hoping she'd throw her drink on him or kick him under the table.  That's how annoyed I was over this.  In fact, I wrote a ficlet where Sam beats him up  for no longer acting like a friend to her.  Call me nuts or something, but I needed to write it, for myself.... I needed to vent so badly.  I hate the way Sam has gone out of her way to be caring and show she is his friend, and he has not reciprocated, well not since The Quest Part 1 (sort of) anyway.

Why did they have to show so many Daniel/Vala bed scenes?!  Again if you're a shipper I'm glad you liked it but I think it shows that Vala is the only one he cares about.

There was supposedly a little Sam/Daniel scene in there when they were aging, but as far as I know it only lasted 1.5 seconds, again with Sam showing concern to Daniel but him blowing her off.  Like "Why are you knocking yourself out if it's not going to work?" Daniel: "Because if I don't it'll drive me crazy.  Besides you're still doing it."  Do you see the concern in there for her? I don't.  I see it as a rival sort of thing, like "you accuse me of knocking myself out, well you're doing it too." How does that accurately portray their friendship? Oh, I see, it accurately portrays it now.  Where it basically no longer exists onscreen.

There was a nice Sam/Teal'c scene I have to admit, but why did they have to scrimp on Sam/Daniel?  I can only conclude that Rob Cooper HATES the very idea of  Sam/Daniel friendship and for this reason I'm going to be wriitng an angry letter to Bridge.  I don't care if the show is over so it won't make any difference, or that he'll probably think I'm some stupid, crazy fan.  I need to get it off my chest.  I need to let them know that there is at least one person out there who is not happy with the way things have gone.

As for the ending.... I hated the way it seems Teal'c is giving Daniel and Vala his blessing.  I'm sorry but that made me ill.  And I hate the way that, despite the fact the team goes through the gate, it's Daniel and Vala going through together behind everyone else just like in the opening credits.  Is this supposed to tell us that they're an estabished couple now and meant to be?

I'm sorry if I sound nuts here, but I am so unhappy over this.  I guess we are to assume that Daniel hates Sam and Vala is the only one he cares about.  I was hoping that they'd wise up for the movies and repair the friendships, but after this debacle I'm not very optimistic.

Again I'm sorry if I offended anyone.  I'm so upset and the fact that my PMS is bad today makes it even worse.  I'm now in search of S/D fics to cheer me up...  on one hand I'm glad it's over if it's just going to continue like this but on the other hand I'm practically crying over the fact that they had to sacrifice friendships like this.

Okay I'll shut up now.  Hope you all don't think I'm too crazy. :(
 
 
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Suzotchkasuzotchka1 on March 14th, 2007 06:48 pm (UTC)
You already know how I feel about this episode. I AM SO HAPPY SG-1 IS OVER! For me it ended in S8. Now the problem is keeping them OFF Atlantis!

And you know, it's your lj, and you shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for your opinions. Any true friend would not be offended. Different opinions is what makes the world go around :D
jessm78: innocencejessm78 on March 14th, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC)
Ditto! It ended in S8 for me too. I guess this is really the end of Stargate Command (wasn't that what tptb wanted to call it, but Skiffy insisted they keep the name so they could achieve their all-important record?). Atlantis should set up some security system that would bar SG-1 members from arriving - like some kind of force field. ;)

Heh... thanks, you're right. I guess I was worrying too much and still annoyed about that anonymous poster telling me I should kill myself. I had it set to block anon. posting but I guess there was some glitch. I went back and fixed it so hopefully it'll work now.
brian_is_here22 on March 14th, 2007 07:08 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately it wasn't any better for us slashers. I felt like the writers were trying to shove it in the slashers' faces when Vala asked Daniel if he liked girls.

I also hated having him go on and on about how he hasn't opened up to anyone else before now because of Sha're. Which hey I'm glad that they mention Sha're but I HATE that with the way he said it, they make it canon that he hasn't been with anyone else in that way which leaves no leeway for slashers or shippers to have Daniel with anyone in fanfic during the last 10 years. Yeah technically before we could always assume that canon-wise he hadn't moved on but at least there was always room to move where we could say that they're keeping the relationship secret or something. This leaves no wiggle room.

Is there some kind of stupid rule that says they have to kill off all the cool races when they're ending a season (or think they're ending).

The ONLY good thing is that they all forgot except for Teal'c who I trust to keep the secrets. If it had been someone else then I'd be worried that they'd end up spilling but I trust Teal'c to not say anything even if bribed.

Back to the D/V stuff, it pisses me off everytime I think about it. I didn't like them as it was but to have so much of their time together like that while everyone else was pretty much by themselves sucked. There was no need for it. I wanted more team scenes, more showing of their friendships, more of why I've watched this show for TEN years! I know some people aren't happy with the way Daniel first goes off on Vala but that was the only moment that I actually respected him. I agreed with everything he was saying about not trusting Vala on a personal level and not wanting a relationship with her. Then of course they ruined all of that by suddenly having them kissing. Though I will say one thing about his speech that bugged me even while cheering the overall rant was that to me he was making it sound like he didn't open up to anyone at all in all these years because of Sha're. Well sorry but just because he didn't open up in a romantic sense, it still would take a HUGE amount of trust, love, and faith in his team to basically put his life in their hands everytime they went out there. After all they experienced over the years together, I definitely thought that he had opened up to them completely and just as intimately as someone would a spouse. I really hate when someone makes it seem like romantic relationships outweigh friendships in that way.
jessm78: Fire and Waterjessm78 on March 14th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
You know, that part stuck out at me as well. I thought it was odd at first and then it really made me wonder if they were trying to shove it in the slashers' faces. Sadly I wouldn't put it past them. I felt similarly about the Daniel/Sam scene - that they were just sticking it in there to appease fans of that friendship.

I didn't like that either, and I found it really hard to believe.

I'm wondering if killing off the cool races is part of their checklist. I guess on the upside, at least Bra'tac is still alive. /sarcasm

I suppose that is a sort of plus, having it be Teal'c who keeps the secret. I didn't like that "the best things come to those who wait" line from him, though. It's as if he's assuming that both Daniel and Vala really do want to be together and he'd like it to happen... or something like that.

Oh, yeah - I HATED that scene where she was on his lap. I wasn't crazy about her doing it in The Shroud, but here it just seemed very silly. It did seem like they were off in their own little world cut off from everyone else, except for the party and even then I didn't notice them interacting very much with the others (except for Cam kissing Vala). I had to laugh at tptb calling it a team episode, well sure the team is all trapped on the ship, but there wasn't really any teaminess, not much of a show of friendships (except for the Sam/Teal'c bit). I thought the one thing they HAD to do in wrapping up the show was to pay tribute to the close friendships. It left me wondering if they were smoking something.

I have to agree - that moment where he goes off on Vala was really the only time I respected him too. I was glad to hear that all, it made sense, and then he does a complete turnaround. Maybe my brain is too logical but I failed to see how that made any sense at all. It just seemed like it was all forced. And I hated how it sounded like he didn't open up to anyone at all over the years because of Sha're. I just can't see that. I'm sure he's opened up to his teammates plenty of times over the years. Maybe he would keep things bottled up a little at first, but as he'd gain complete trust of them, sure I'd expect him to open up. The team were such a close-knit group, I can't ever see him NOT opening up to Jack, to Sam, heck didn't he even open up to Teal'c about finally feeling like he belonged in Orpheus?

I totally agree, it seemed as if they put more importance on the romantic relationship in this episode than the friendships. There was a tiny scene between him and Sam, and basically NO scenes between him and Teal'c or the three of them.

Oh, hate to bring the D/V thing up again, but didn't he have a line towards the end (I think before they reset everything) where he told her that he didn't want to be with her because they were on the ship? What was that all about?
brian_is_here22 on March 15th, 2007 01:24 am (UTC)
Sadly I wouldn't put it past them.

No kidding. I don't put anything past them.

I felt similarly about the Daniel/Sam scene - that they were just sticking it in there to appease fans of that friendship.

Yeah, though I just watched it again and I at least did see more compassion coming from Daniel towards Sam this time around. His voice sounded warm when he first started to respond to her and when he said "besides you haven't given up" I no longer thought it sounded like competition but rather that he was just pointing out a fact that she's doing the same as him. But hearing that she actually had given up struck him by surprise and obvious disappointment then too. So I wasn't as bothered as I was the first time around because I did believe in their friendship and care for each other there but I also wish the scene would've been much longer and had more there between them. We didn't even get a Daniel and Teal'c scene though and Sam and Teal'c only got a hug though that was nice.

I'm wondering if killing off the cool races is part of their checklist. I guess on the upside, at least Bra'tac is still alive. /sarcasm

Maybe they're waiting to kill him in the movies along with the Nox and any remaining Jaffa and Tok'ra.

I suppose that is a sort of plus, having it be Teal'c who keeps the secret. I didn't like that "the best things come to those who wait" line from him, though. It's as if he's assuming that both Daniel and Vala really do want to be together and he'd like it to happen... or something like that

I agree although technically all of those cliches at the end could be put towards all of them in any number of ways which I guess is why I let it go. Especially because I really loved Teal'c at least in this episode and I don't want any reason to be annoyed at him.

I had to laugh at tptb calling it a team episode, well sure the team is all trapped on the ship, but there wasn't really any teaminess, not much of a show of friendships (except for the Sam/Teal'c bit). I thought the one thing they HAD to do in wrapping up the show was to pay tribute to the close friendships.

I agree completely. Great have them all stuck together. I would actually like to see that but have them be together through it. Don't show them segregated from each other! I felt so bad for Mitchell when he broke down because he had no one there with him. We barely even saw Teal'c. Sam was alone crying while Landry died. Daniel and Vala were the only ones to consistently be shown to have comfort because they always had each other right there.

I was glad to hear that all, it made sense, and then he does a complete turnaround.

Exactly!!!
jessm78jessm78 on March 15th, 2007 06:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, though I just watched it again and I at least did see more compassion coming from Daniel towards Sam this time around. His voice sounded warm when he first started to respond to her and when he said "besides you haven't given up" I no longer thought it sounded like competition but rather that he was just pointing out a fact that she's doing the same as him. But hearing that she actually had given up struck him by surprise and obvious disappointment then too. So I wasn't as bothered as I was the first time around because I did believe in their friendship and care for each other there but I also wish the scene would've been much longer and had more there between them. We didn't even get a Daniel and Teal'c scene though and Sam and Teal'c only got a hug though that was nice.

I rewatched it too and I agree, I thought I heard more warmth and compassion in his voice. I guess I hadn't come to expect very much that I was trying to belittle and second guess everything. I wish it had been longer, but I suppose it was something (still annoyed there wasn't a Daniel and Teal'c scene).

Maybe they're waiting to kill him in the movies along with the Nox and any remaining Jaffa and Tok'ra.

Ah, I almost forgot about the movies. Don't forget they'll probably kill Tomin.

I agree although technically all of those cliches at the end could be put towards all of them in any number of ways which I guess is why I let it go. Especially because I really loved Teal'c at least in this episode and I don't want any reason to be annoyed at him.

I see what you mean. I suppose it bothered me a little because he looked at Daniel and Vala as if it was somehow meaningful to them, as if they'll wait to reveal their feelings for one another and be together in wedded bliss. Gah, sorry my bitterness is showing again. *blush*

I agree completely. Great have them all stuck together. I would actually like to see that but have them be together through it. Don't show them segregated from each other! I felt so bad for Mitchell when he broke down because he had no one there with him. We barely even saw Teal'c. Sam was alone crying while Landry died. Daniel and Vala were the only ones to consistently be shown to have comfort because they always had each other right there.

Exactly! Sam was alone most of the time playing that cello, as you said we saw Mitchell alone there... I thought the scene where Vala was crying and Daniel was holding her was odd... what on earth was she crying about? Even in the scenes that featured the team together, like sitting at the table laughing or at the Christmas party, didn't feel much like a team thing to me. Daniel was basically laughing with Vala in the first scene... it's as if they need to emphasize how much these two are together at the expense of team interaction, like it has to creep into the team interaction.
brian_is_here22 on March 15th, 2007 01:25 am (UTC)
And I hated how it sounded like he didn't open up to anyone at all over the years because of Sha're. I just can't see that. I'm sure he's opened up to his teammates plenty of times over the years.

I agree completely. The kicker is we have SEEN him open up to his team throughout the years. The example you gave with Teal'c and definitely he's done it with Sam and Jack. We also know that he's easily put himself in a place to be hurt hard by his teammates despite what he says in his rant to Vala. In Shades of Gray he was really hurt by Jack's dismissal of him because he opened himself up to Jack's friendship. That's why the scene at Jack's and then later Daniel watching through the window were so hard.

Oh, hate to bring the D/V thing up again, but didn't he have a line towards the end (I think before they reset everything) where he told her that he didn't want to be with her because they were on the ship? What was that all about?

Yeah what annoyed me about that is because he's saying that he wasn't just with her because they were stuck there for 50 years or however long that was. That pissed me off because of course that's why they were together! It was only due to their extreme circumstances and isolation that these issues were even brought to a forefront. There's no reason to believe that they'd ever get together like that if they weren't in the same exact situation as it happened here. The only thing I can think of for that is they were saying that to make themselves feel better over the fact that they won't remember any of this. Maybe they really do believe that after all these years but I don't for a minute believe that it's true.
jessm78jessm78 on March 15th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
I agree completely. The kicker is we have SEEN him open up to his team throughout the years. The example you gave with Teal'c and definitely he's done it with Sam and Jack. We also know that he's easily put himself in a place to be hurt hard by his teammates despite what he says in his rant to Vala. In Shades of Gray he was really hurt by Jack's dismissal of him because he opened himself up to Jack's friendship. That's why the scene at Jack's and then later Daniel watching through the window were so hard.

Exactly. We have seen him open up. I found it somewhat hard to believe that he'd only now gotten over Sha're. It's been what, more than 7 years now that she'd died? Are they trying to give that as an excuse for him not having any relationships with anyone (well on screen anyway ;))?

Yeah what annoyed me about that is because he's saying that he wasn't just with her because they were stuck there for 50 years or however long that was. That pissed me off because of course that's why they were together! It was only due to their extreme circumstances and isolation that these issues were even brought to a forefront. There's no reason to believe that they'd ever get together like that if they weren't in the same exact situation as it happened here. The only thing I can think of for that is they were saying that to make themselves feel better over the fact that they won't remember any of this. Maybe they really do believe that after all these years but I don't for a minute believe that it's true.

I find it hard to believe myself. It just seemed so forced, like a certain scene in Moebius Part 2 (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about ;)). I can't think of any other reason for them to be together apart from what you said, about them being stuck there in those extreme circumstances. I really believed Daniel in his rant when he said they couldn't be together. I mean, it sounded like it was coming from him, like he knew what he was talking about. I don't see him lying to himself (or anyone else) in that regard.