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01 October 2009 @ 09:59 pm
SPN #5x04 The End (episode review)  
This show ... I just ...

I have mixed feelings about this episode. It was like being on a roller coaster. I felt all this hopelessness and despair throughout most of it, but then I felt so relieved and at the very top at the end.

Let's start at the beginning.

Dean is walking and a guy (presumably Jehovah's Witness?) handing out fliers asks Dean if he thinks of God's plan for him. Dean: too much.

Oh, Cas... still trying to get the hang of cell phones. His "the voice says I'm almost out of minutes" line was a good one.

The phone call between Dean and Sam broke my heart. Sam wants to join Dean again and Dean still hangs onto his feelings from last episode. He asks Sam if he's back to revenge now. Sam says it's not about revenge; it's about redemption. Awww, Sammy. :( But Dean insists that they're actually weaker together and they're better apart. Now, before you stone me for being mean to Sam and defending Dean, it hurt me to hear Dean say that. BUT - and here's the but - I understand why he said it. It does bug me a lot that he said this even after learning from Sam that Lucifer wants him as his vessel, but I see why he said it. And he really did learn a lesson in all of this. Shame it took that asshat Zach to show him.

Zach zaps Dean 5 years into the future where there is all chaos and we see the word Croatoan again. The virus is spreading around.

Now what I'm about to say may result in 2/3 of my friends defriending me, and probably lots of chewing out from those not on my flist... but I have to say it because it's kind of bugging me.

Did they really have to emphasize the President Palin thing? I don't care what anyone's opinion of her is, but dammit, I watch shows like Supernatural as an escape from crap like politics. I hear enough BS about it in my daily life, I don't like it encroaching into my TV viewing. Okay, maybe in shows like The West Wing or 24 it's expected to hear political references, but not in SPN. And okay, maybe I should lighten up a little, but I think there could have been other ways to show how out of control things have become.

*dons flame suit* I'm sorry, I don't mean to make a huge issue out of this, but to see that emphasized really took me out of the show for a little bit. It was just so pointed. I love the show, I really do, and I'm not going to stop watching because of things like that. It's just something that really irks me. If you guys want to defriend me, go right ahead. I'd hope that my harmless little opinion wouldn't make you go that far (I don't think I insulted anyone personally - at least I didn't intend to), but if it does, then I can't stop you.

*sigh* Anyway......  again, sorry about that :(

Dean finds the Impala imprisoned. *g* And when he goes over to her, he gets knocked out by... himself.

It was kinda cool to see Jensen acting with "himself". We did get to see some of it in DALDOM, but it was quite good here too.

Geek alert! Lexa Doig, Michael Shanks' wife who played Rommie in Andromeda and Dr. Carolyn Lam in Stargate SG-1 was Risa, a woman who older!Dean has some sort of relationship with. I thought she did a good job.

Oh, boy. Hippie!Cas. He has a thing for orgies, yes? Dean (2009!Dean) asks him "are you stoned?" He replies "generally." Oh, I'll bet Misha had a grand old time with this one.

2009!Dean seems a bit taken aback at how hardened older!Dean has become. At how he shoots people without blinking an eye. Older!Dean has experience with this Croatoan virus and can spot its symptoms, and it's just commonplace now.

According to Older!Dean, Sam didn't make it in Detroit. He tells Dean that he and Sam haven't spoken in 5 years. 2009!Dean seems pretty unhappy about this.

He starts talking about how he knows where Lucifer is (and he also has the Colt), and it turns out that Sam said "yes" to being Lucifer's vessel. He tells 2009!Dean that in order to stop Sam from saying "yes" to Lucifer, 2009!Dean has to say "yes" to Michael. Ummm... I'm still confused as to how that works. Dean becoming Michael's vessel would stop Sam from becoming Luci's? Oh, it's so easy to see that Zach is influencing this.

When Older!Dean is amassing the troops to go in after Lucifer, 2009!Dean takes him aside and finds out that he's just planning on sacrificing these people. He knows he's lying. Says he knows the expression and he sees it in the mirror. So Dean knows when he's lying to himself, then.

DunDunDun!! Evil!Sam appears. Wooooo... how hot is he? All in white? And he breaks Older!Dean's neck. :O

The scene between him and 2009!Dean had my heart breaking so much. I was almost in tears. He tries the sympathy card with Dean, telling him about how he fell because he loved God too much, how he wouldn't love humans because they're flawed, etc. Dean doesn't fall for the "sympathy for the devil" crap and tells him he's like a cockroach, but he only differs from the rest because of his ego. 

I thought Jared did an awesome job here. But still it goes on with the heart-breaking. He tells Dean that no matter what happens, no matter what they do, they'll always end up here. Dean insists that he better kill him now, but Evil!Sam insists that they'll end up here no matter what. Dean is upset and we see him start to cry.

When good old Zach zaps him back. And of course he insists that Dean says "yes" to Michael, in order to stop things from getting this bad and to stop Sam from saying "yes" to Lucifer. Dean looks so broken in this scene, but he replies "Nah" to Zach. Good boy, Dean. Zach is of course pissed and asks didn't he learn his lesson? Dean says he did, just not the one Zach wanted him to learn. Zach starts threatening him when Dean is suddenly whisked away ... by Cas. Because they had an appointment. Wow, good timing, Cas.

Dean takes out his phone and Cas asks what he's doing. Dean says something he should've done already. He calls Sam. FINALLY!

The end scene... oh my gosh. I had tears in my eyes and I was just so relieved. They meet at the bridge (which looks like the one from Salvation or Devil's Trap, doesn't it?). Dean gives Sam the knife back, which he'll need. Sam is grateful and thanks him ("thank you... I really mean it. Thank you"... aww, Saaaam).. Dean tells him that yeah, these things may use their weaknesses against one another, but "we keep each other human." Damn straight. Sam tells Dean he won't let him down. Dean tells him "we'll make our own future." And Sam says that's what they'll have to do.

And so the boys are back together. Ohhhhh, boys. *HUGS them both* I really hope they can keep each other human and from saying "yes" to either of those two who want them. I really don't want to see the show end with a scene like the one between 2009!Dean and Evil!Sam. But for now, they are back and I'm happy.

And next week's ep looks to be a bit more light-hearted, which is always good. Looking forward to it.

My headache's come back and it's bothering me something awful, so that's it for tonight. I really hope I haven't pissed anyone off in what I said. I really don't like to mention stuff like that (and it's happened in the show a few times before... I just really refrained from discussing it much), but I just had to say something here. I really don't want to get into any arguments, so please let's keep it respectful. 

 
 
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deej1957: both boys tandeej1957 on October 1st, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
Was eagerly waiting for this. Perhaps I'll watch the last five minutes. Maybe.

I agree about the political thing-- then I really dislike Ben Edlund's sophmoric "humour" and having Palin as President is a prime example of that.

I've no clue what next week's episode is, but if the boys are back together and crappy Castiel is MIA I'll be happy. Well, happier *G*

And I'd never defriend you just because we didn't agree on something, especially if it's a Political thing. **HUG** Hope your headache goes away.
jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 07:56 am (UTC)
The last five minutes are definitely worth it. The Evil!Sam scene I thought was quite good, too. Jared did a really wonderful job there.

Good point about Edlund's sophomoric humor... I keep forgetting it was he who wrote Wishful Thinking. *G*

Looks like next week's episode will be a better one. More light-hearted, and the boys are indeed back together. :)

Thanks, hon, I really do appreciate that. I already got an anon comment for someone who seems keen on starting an argument. But I won't let it get to me. My headache's finally gone. Thanks again. :) *HUGS*
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jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Friday 13th textlessjessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 08:15 am (UTC)
Exactly. And I am so glad that he realized it.

Our boys are back together again! *happy sigh*
Melcoltshot_1 on October 2nd, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
I wish they wouldn't make such topical references either -- and its not just political -- the one time Dean said something about banging Lindsey Lohan. References to movies and stuff like that -- OK but the topical stuff is jarring to me, as you say - takes me out of the story and that's the kind of thing that will date the show (not in a good way)

But political reference aside -- OMFG __ I adored that episode!!
Two Deans AND an evil Sam AND the Winchesters are back together.
WOOOOOT!!!!

Honey, I hope your headache feels better. Get some rest and/or some good meds.
jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 08:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with you on that. A lot of them are pretty jarring, especially the Lindsey Lohan one. And then there was the one about Katie Holmes being kidnapped by a cult. Good point in that it will date the show in a way. I can see people watching these eps 20 years from now and having to explain to their kids about some of these things.

Yep, I agree. That aside, the ep was pretty danged awesome. I'm so glad they are back together!! Their reunion was worth waiting for.

Thanks, hon. I'm feeling better now and I'm so glad the weekend is almost here! *hugs*
colinfree on October 2nd, 2009 03:50 am (UTC)
That's it??? That's how those two brothers reunion??

Oh, Can I say I kinda wish Dean/Sam could be apart for a little longer, until those writers come up a better storyline???
jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 07:49 am (UTC)
I forgot to mention that Dean also apologized to Sam, which I was really glad to see. I know there were some people saying that they didn't think he ever would. But it showed that he learned his lesson and that the boys shouldn't be apart.

To be honest it's better actually watching it than going by the written words in someone's review. :)
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babycinbabycin on October 2nd, 2009 04:03 am (UTC)
I can say that I loved this episode. I was scared about the Sam!Lucifer but in conclusion I loved everything in this episode. I don't know why but it hoocked me up.
And the boys are together!!!! ♥
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Friday 13th textlessjessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 08:25 am (UTC)
Me too, hon! I thought Jared did a wonderful job. And I am so glad that the boys are back together! :)
anastdean: picDean anastdean on October 2nd, 2009 07:09 am (UTC)
I adore this episode seen it twice already and I'll see it again.
Everything was perfect. Lovely review BTW and check mine too if you like.
Guess that's all we'll do all day.
http://anastdean.livejournal.com/107204.html

Can I say I loved it once more??
jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 08:49 am (UTC)
It ended so well, didn't it? I am so happy that our boys are back together.

Thank you, hon! I will go check out your review. :)
(Anonymous) on October 2nd, 2009 07:32 am (UTC)
if i'm not wrong, i read somewhere (i think in Islam eschatology), that one of the signs of the end of the world is when leadership is given to people who are unworthy of it. So apart from the humour aspect, Palin was there to reinforce the point that the end of the world is coming [cause we all know how "good" of a leader she is. With her in charge, the world will inevitably end in chaos].

jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 07:46 am (UTC)
No offense, but I don't want to get into an argument about politics. I thought I had made that clear in my review, so apparently you just overlooked it. I don't agree with you re: Palin, but my comment in my review was about politics in general. They shouldn't be emphasized so much in a show that doesn't have anything to do with politics.

Again, I don't agree with you, and your statement about the world ending in chaos if she is in charge is merely your opinion. It's not a fact.

I'm curious to know how you'd feel if they substituted Hillary Clinton's name for Palin's. Would you be ticked off at all?


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lovetheguyslovetheguys on October 2nd, 2009 12:53 pm (UTC)
See, to me, the Palin ref was funny. It was an Edlund script, so I took it in a lighthearted way. Things have gone SO to hell in the future SHE became the president. Period. I understand what you mean and I have no problem with it. No harm, no foul.

I felt sorry that once again, Jensen had so much to do in one episode. Why is Kripke making him work so hard? It wasn't as bad as "In the Beginning," but damn close, and he had to act with himself, which must be difficult to do. He was excellent, by the way, and I enjoyed it, but I wonder why they've had two eps that were almost 100% Jensen/Dean. Will we be getting one or two eps that will be 100% Jared, too, to give Jensen a similar break?

Castiel/Misha was a total riot as the love guru. I loved seeing him laugh/smile so much. He is such a handsome man when he grins. Yet it struck me that he really missed being an angel, and was substituting orgies and drugs for a life he craved and never could have again. Did anyone else get that impression?

Jared, too, blew me out of the water with his three brief performances. When he called to ask, then beg, Dean to get back together to hunt, I felt his disbelief in his brother's abandonment to my core. I mean, he called to tell him he'd learned he was to be LUCIFER'S vessel and Dean wasn't even concerned about it? What pod person had taken over his big brother? My heart just broke for the bereft little brother reflected in Jared's eyes.

Then, when Dean faced down Samifer, the combined Sam and Lucifer, I felt chilled from the top of my spine to the bottom! So handsome in white, so cold as he broke the neck of FutureDean with one callous move of his foot, Samifer was charming, sad, icy, and threatening. He made it clear to Dean that they WOULD meet in this same place five years hence, that Dean would never give in to Michael or kill Sam, so everything would inevitably happen as it was meant to. Calmly, he told Dean how it would all go down. Dean cried, Samifer smiled, Zachariah sent Dean back. Jared just blew me away.

In the final scene between Sam and Dean, Jared's countenance did not change. He accepted the special knife from Dean and thanked him for giving him another chance. He did not smile, but let his eyes do all the talking for him. He's grateful Dean changed his mind, but doesn't trust it. He still feels unsure of the reasons for the change and wants to believe it will last. They desperately need each other now, but there is still a lot of rockiness between them, a lot of unresolved issues. The bottom line is, they are BROTHERS. Everything else has to fade into the background.

Love, Robin
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jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
See, to me, the Palin ref was funny. It was an Edlund script, so I took it in a lighthearted way. Things have gone SO to hell in the future SHE became the president. Period. I understand what you mean and I have no problem with it. No harm, no foul.

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. You say that you understand what I mean and you have no problem with it. I said that I didn't like the reference because it was political, and I'm tired enough of politics being shoved in my face in my daily life as it is. When you say you had no problem with "it", are you referring to my opinion, i.e. the fact that I wasn't crazy about it? Or are you referring to the jab itself? Because I'm not totally following if you're talking about the jab itself.

I agree that both boys did a wonderful job with their performances. I also loved the final scene. They do have a lot of unresolved issues, but hopefully in time we'll see them addressed. They are brothers, and they're in this together, and that's the most important thing.

God, I hope you don't hate me now. I know they were probably trying to be light-hearted, but don't loathe Palin as much as I'm sure 99% of the SPN fans do, so my reaction was probably the only one of its kind to the jab. As I said in my review, I watch shows like this as an escape from real-life crap. I think they could have used other ways of showing how chaotic everything was in the future without making a cheap shot to either side of the political aisle, but that's just me. And I realize my opinion sucks. Maybe I'll just not post episode reviews anymore. *sigh*

I'll understand if you don't want to be my friend any longer. :(
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winchesterwomanwinchesterwoman on October 2nd, 2009 03:22 pm (UTC)
Hi jess
It is my turn to answer you :D

first off. what about that headache? it already disappear? why you had it? Hope at this time you are fine :D

Let see what means that line : "I'm almost out of minutes"???

"Now what I'm about to say may result in 2/3 of my friends defriending me,




----And you called them "friends"? Well Jess maybe it is time to start to cut your f list and see how are the real friends and maybe you will left with 4, but better good 4 than 25 bad ones. maybe that thing of just add for add is a bad thing.


and probably lots of chewing out from those not on my flist... but I have to say it because it's kind of bugging me."


Say whatever you feel, is better get out that just save it deep.


O.kkk I want to ask you one thing. why you take so serious that thing of palin? it wasn´t a big deal. just someone is giving his point of view. I laughed so much with that, because with that woman the us would be in chaos heheheh. I remember have read a interview that katie curic from cbs news made her, Jesus, what a ignorant woman! Thank God she is not your vicepresident. Don´t worry Jess that thing is not to freak out or annoy you. take those things calm. I am respecting you but I really want to know why that bothers you.

Jess don´t say sorry for some thing that you write. you don´t have to say that. don´t feel what ever you feel and headed to say " sorry" come on! you can say whatever you want! and dont say sorry, until someone tell you " hey you offend me here" o.k then do it, if not. don´t do it!


YESS THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE SCENE OF JHON AND HIS SONS MET TO GO AFTER THE DEMON. AT LEAST IT IS INDENTICAL

Hey Jess. I would like to ask you. what has the jared´s performance that is awesome to you. :D

Have a nice day!
jessm78jessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 04:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Hi jess
I had the headache as part of my PMS (period). All day I had it and it was hard to sleep last night.

Well ok, it's not that many, but I have had to cut people from my f-list before because of something like this.

You're right, it is better to say something and get it out than to keep it in.

See I didn't think it was too funny because I don't hate Palin. I don't have a very good opinion of Katie Couric because she doesn't present the news fairly, she is fair only to the people she likes and is unfair to those she doesn't like. It seems that whenever they talk about politics on this show it is only bashing things on one side. They don't bash both sides and I'm tired of my side always being picked on. It's like they are saying I'm not worthy to be a SPN fan because I don't agree with them.

But I appreciate what you say hon. I had someone on my f-list last year say some very nasty things to me that really hurt. I cut them from my f-list but because of this I worry that other people will be the same way.

I thought that was the same place! It was nice to see it again.

I liked how Jared played Lucifer. He did it in a very calm manner and tried to sound sympathetic so that he could get Dean to understand him. I've only see him play Sam or as possessed by a demon, but this was something different. :D

Thank you hon, I hope you are having a nice day!
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ChristianGateFancgf_kat on October 2nd, 2009 04:42 pm (UTC)
Oh honey that doesn't bother me! I agree with you.

I mean really...For one thing, anyone would look bad being a leader in that kind of uncontrollable situation, and besides that I don't think she would do all that horrible of a job even if things 'were' bad. She's not perfect, but no one is. The world just wants to bag on her because she's a good-old-fashioned conservative (and Christian too, isn't she?).

Beyond that and back to the basic issue: yes, there was no need for any kind of mention of a president, if it was going to be anything other than a fictional character/name. We don't need that junk in Show. I was disapointed as well.

But the ending still derserves squees! Pouting for lack of a hug, of course, but squeeeeeee!
jessm78: Sam/Dean hug from Mystery Spotjessm78 on October 2nd, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
Hon, I'm so glad it doesn't! Thanks for agreeing with me. :)

That's exactly how I see it - I agree. (and yup, she is Christian too :))

I know it doesn't happen often, and it won't make me stop watching Show, but it was disappointing and kind of took me out of the episode for a little bit.

It sure does! Pouting here due to lack of hug, but hopefully we'll get one in eps to come (and if not, we'll chalk it up to a couple of guys feeling too awkward about hugging in public or too worried about their manly pride *g*).

I echo your squeeeeeee! :D
wyntertwilightwyntertwilight on October 2nd, 2009 06:33 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean about a rollercoaster ride, the beginning phone call between the boys made me want to cry, but I was flailing with happiness at the ending. Seriously, that was just awesome, I'm so glad they're back together!!! I'm surprised it was so quick but I'm not complaining.

Misha is so awesome, Castiel (in both forms) was awesome in this episode. LOVE!

Hope you're feeling better by now, Jess *hugs*
jessm78jessm78 on October 3rd, 2009 10:45 am (UTC)
That's exactly how I was as I was watching it! It really was made of awesome. So glad they're together again! They've still got quite a few issues to be resolved, but it's a beginning!

Misha was hilarious in this one. Loved him :D

Thanks, Sadia! Finally feeling better today. Our weather has been so insane the past few days. *hugs*
Kelly Farrelly: Sam/Dean ~ The Endedwardsvamplove on October 5th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
I am with you 100% on all of your thoughts on the show, I was not happy with the Palin thing either so that I am with you on!

Oh, but all of the other stuff was super awesome! I am a huge Chuck fan, he is hilarious!

Love Cas, future Cas was very funny and I am sure Misha was right at home being funny!

Lucifer!Sam, OMG hot!!

Also, I would never defriend you, your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it esp. in your own journal!!

Okay...*huggles*
jessm78: Sam/Dean hug from Mystery Spotjessm78 on October 5th, 2009 09:27 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you know what I mean! I usually don't like to talk too much about that sort of thing, but I just couldn't keep from saying anything about it this time.

It really was! Chuck was priceless in this episode... telling Dean to hoard toilet paper because it's made of gold. *GRIN*

I also loved how Cas kept referring to Dean as "Fearless Leader." Hee! Misha must have loved doing this one.

Thanks so much, hon! *huggles*
shina93xxShina93xx on January 8th, 2017 09:34 pm (UTC)
5x04
I know I'm super late having started to watching this show, but I just had to tell my opinion about this episode somewhere <.<
I can't with all these unresolved conflicts, they are accumulating!! I mean, first there was this fake phone call right before Sam went to kill Lilith, and I think Sam never knew that this was not what Dean had actually been saying.
And now this, where Dean goes full on "I'm better off without him", and it breaks my heart. And the writers don't make him take it back! The reason they reunite is 'cause of the fuckin' apocalypse? And to stay human, as if that was an end on its own? Why should it be anyways? I mean, what the hell? I needed some brotherly emotional bonding to heal my crushed feelings here, and Dean makes choises based on reason. Don't give me that crap :_: Okay, it's probably clear by now, I didnt like this episode. And Castiel being a hippie didn't work for me as comic relief either. Everything was just too damn sirius.