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10 September 2006 @ 05:30 pm
Why kill a good thing?  
I know everyone hates hearing me rant or whine about this, but Friday's episode, plus some comments made by people on GW and at one of my Sam/Daniel lists keep nagging at me and making me feel really down about this season.

The user pic I have next to this entry pretty much describes how I feel. Whether you ship Sam and Daniel or not, I think it appears that their friendship is tenuous at best in season 10. Why do I say that? Well, there's the fact that we've been forcefed Daniel/Vala in almost every episode so far, which also means lack of team moments. Daniel and Sam have interacted - how often?

I know we all say that they're friends behind the scenes and offscreen, and maybe I am being really petty for saying this, but it's not enough for me. I need actual evidence that they are friends. If they don't act like it onscreen, who's to say that they *aren't* acting that way offscreen? We can engage in all the wishful thinking we want, but I'd rather that we didn't have to. I'm almost getting tired of it. Maybe it's my scientific background, but I need concrete evidence up front that they are still friends. Yeah, I know, their friendship is canon and all of that, but can't canon be changed? Can't some factor be introduced that allows for that change (Vala in this case)?

In case you're wondering what caused me to go bonkers over this, I'll explain. Over at Gateworld, some person posted in the anti-D/V thread going "NOOOOO! Daniel and Vala are the most perfect couple on Earth! I cannot see him with anyone else, ESPECIALLY Carter [guess that was directed at me...*rolls eyes*]... I don't want Share or Sarah... Daniel and Vala had such great chemistry in Prometheus Unbound and they are so good together!" Yeah okay I don't agree and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but why would someone visit the Anti thread if they're Pro? Anyway the "especially Carter" part stung me, even if they were talking about ship. This person comes off as a new fan, and because they haven't seen much of Sam and Daniel interacting even on a friendship level, no wonder they don't see any chemistry between the two. I thought I saw several people in the S/D thread also making excuses for the D/V interaction and saying that Sam and Daniel are still friends and Daniel likes Sam better than Vala. But the thing is, how do you know? Just because of the way they acted in the past? I don't think that can be used as evidence. And who's to say that Sam and Daniel didn't have some big fight in between episode 200 and this one? I guess there is no evidence either way but I think it's an open question.

Plus, someone in that thread mentioned that there doesn't seem to be the same spark in their chemistry as there had been before. They said that their interaction all seems one-sided now... that it was Sam who was so concerned about Daniel in Flesh and Blood and he acted all business as usual at the end. I can't disagree with this person, and it makes me sad. Plus it was Sam who smiled at Daniel in Pegasus Project and knew something was nagging at him. We've seen plenty of Sam being concerned/worried for Daniel, and he has not reciprocated at all (well, not counting Morpheus, but I thought there was more concern on her part for him than vice versa).

I was also bugged by the fact that a D/V shipper on one of my S/D lists pretty much told us to just deal with it if we don't want to see the D/V ship in the episodes. She didn't mention anything about S/D which disappointed me since this is a S/D list. Neither did anyone else who posted reviews of this past episode. Maybe I am way too zealous over this whole thing, but I feel that no one really cares anymore. That I am the only one who sees what's happening to the S/D friendship and gives a whit about it. And the fact that there's nothing I can do about it makes me feel even worse. I'm sorry, it's not enough for me to say, "oh yeah, they're still friends offscreen even if they don't talk to each other at all in the episode."

I made some banners a few weeks back. If anyone is interested in them for any reason, feel free to take (credit would be nice but you don't have to).

What I am about to say may make me seem like a traitor to the whole SG-1 cause, but I really need to say it. I have not really taken part in any of the "Save the Show" campaigns. Why, do you ask? (if you're still reading anyway) Because if things are going to continue like this, with a D/V ship being pushed and Daniel being really distant towards Sam (as well as Teal'c), then I don't want to see the show go on for another season. If there was a chance that they would listen to us and greatly improve it, then I'd be maniacally writing letters along with the rest of you. But I don't hold much faith in TPTB to do that and I just cannot support the show continuing this way. I hate that there's no team feeling anymore. And I just don't believe that someone can take a magic wand and POOF, the show will suddenly be back to its former glory in an 11th season.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm betraying any of you. I really don't mean to. I just can't deal with this anymore if they're so intent on not showing the friendships that have stood the test of time. I'm going to live in AU land where we can be 100% sure that Daniel still appreciates Sam and Teal'c as friends and actually acknowledges them as such. Sam and Daniel were such good friends to each other early on - what happened? What made them grow apart, at least onscreen? Why did it have to happen?

Okay, I'll shut up now. I hope that no one hates me and I'm sorry to bug everyone with my whining/ranting. I'm just feeling so down about this. :( I don't think it's too much to ask to see actual proof that they are still friends. I can't keep up all the assuming anymore.
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Current Mood: melancholymelancholy
Suzotchkasuzotchka1 on September 10th, 2006 07:16 pm (UTC)
I don't blame you one bit! I'm not participating in any of the "Save SG-1" campaigns either. I do not like this "new" SG-1. Why would I want to save it? Let it die (& take Cam & Vala with it, please). I miss the team (the old team) interaction. While you know that I am not a Sam/Daniel shipper, TPTB have blatently ignored their 9 year friendship. They write them like strangers. It's a shame. But as you said, we can live in AU-land where all is happy!

As for those idiots over at GW: ignore them, report them. That's what I did when that "pro-Cam" person posted in the anti-Cam thread. And if you really feel like it, ding them with RED! WHOO!
jessm78jessm78 on September 10th, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
Thanks. :) I am glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. I have another friend who is not a S/D shipper and she said pretty much the same thing. If people who have been friends for 9 years suddenly have to be strangers, let it die. Maybe some people find that a little extreme, but I've just about had enough. Hehe, my AU land features a nice cabin on a lake (sort of like Jack's but mosquito-free) with some nice amenities where everything is just wonderful! ;)

Yeah you're right about that. That last person who kept harrassing me - the D/V shipper and Vala-lover who kept trying to convert me... her posts were deleted from the thread but the mod told me she really couldn't do anything about it as far as her trying to convert me through green rep, since she really wasn't doing anything wrong. All I could do was put her on Ignore. *sigh* Guess I will have to do that if this other D/V shipper starts causing trouble.
Christine (aka) Pineapple >^..^<chris4short on September 11th, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
((Jess)) I guess the more I think about it and the more I read about it... the more I see how you have come to this conculsion. I guess it would be best to not have another season if we get the lack of TEAM, and more over lack of S/D.

I have joined the Save the Stargate campaign only because I think the show itself should be saved... but then it comes back down to the HEART of the show. I am realizing more and more that although I still love the show, there are little things that make the heart of the show feel lacking. Now my part of the campaign so far is to write an article about the campaigning itself. It's more of a "hey world, look how quick we SG-1 fans gathered and are mobilizing" and less a rally call to save the show. Well of course there is the stating of the mission, but as a journalist I have to stay impartial to the whole thing.

*sigh* I guess I haven't wanted to let SG-1 go for a long time. I still see the ideal shinny gloss over everything, and will continue to see it as such for a while. I try to be as nonromo as possible when I watch, but I am a die hard S/D'er when I review/fic and talk. I guess I am trying to fool myself if I think I can really seperate those two aspects of me.

*hands a hugging S/D to Jess* They love your AU world as much as I do... TGFF - thank god for fics!
jessm78jessm78 on September 12th, 2006 10:41 am (UTC)
(((hugs back))) Thanks and I hope I have not depressed you. :( I know how you've taken part in the campaign and the last I wanted to do was to jade anyone.

Some things in S9 disappointed me but if the show had been cancelled then I probably would have been more broken up about it. After all we had some team stuff in there even with Cam being there... still some S/D, S/T, D/T stuff and I thought it would continue for the next season (at least before they said Vala was returning full-time...but even then I hoped we'd still get some).

Now the lack of team stuff this season has me wondering if it's worth it. It also bugs me how people in SDR are just accepting the lack of Sam/Daniel friendship moments and are extolling the virtues of Daniel/Vala. I think one person brought up how Daniel has a special relationship with Vala because he watched her burn in Avalon. *gag* Yeah I know it's in Daniel's nature to be concerned for people. But does he have to be concerned about Vala only? That's what they seem to project. Maybe it's because of all the Vala focus (in which case can we please let Teal'c and Sam do more???). I would love to see a Sam episode where something happens to her and Daniel actually pries himself away from Vala for a moment and shows some concern. I doubt we'll get it but I guess I can always hope...

Maybe I am too much of a pessimist/cynic/whatever about all of this...and maybe I should just step back and say it's just a tv show. But I can't help being unhappy about the way it's going. I just found a post someone made on GW a while back that helps explain how I feel. They said that TPTB seem to expect us to accept what they TELL us about the relationships instead of SHOWING us the interactions that make the relationships so valuable... it's the small things that matter most, and they've been so lacking. She was saying this about interactions in general in S9, but I think it can be applied to the Sam-Daniel-Teal'c interaction also.

*sigh* Thanks for that. :) Again I hope I didn't jade you too much. And you're right - TGFF. Maybe I should stay firmly implanted in AU/fanfic land and just give up on the show this season..... not sure if I want to entirely though...
Christine (aka) Pineapple >^..^<chris4short on September 12th, 2006 11:10 am (UTC)
Nope not jaded. The campaign and my own thoughts on the matter are seperate - they have to be seperate - so that I can write a real article. Hmmm now if i could just have used that extra hour of sleep this morning making me late to write....

I agree with some over at SDR that this team (and S9's) were more of a AU/shadow of themselves... but I would have been even more of a blabberign fool if they had canceled last year. I hate to say it, but I really think they did a diservice to us/the show/the characters by brining on Vala back full time. I think I have posted that before.

And although the stories are still compelling (unless they are recycling the same premess with a different girl) and still very enjoyable, I don't feel the same rush I get when I see the eps. I am still the girrly girl when I see the cute hotness that is Daniel - moment of SQUEEEE - but that will never change. *shallow and I like it!* And I still am amazed how good Sam looks every week, and I am still shouting like a mad women at the screen when things are wring - I am particularly glad that I don't have neighbors at the moment when Fridays come. I enjoy the SHOW, just not the character interactions as much as I did.

The shippy elements of S/D are still there - those stolen glances, the standing beside each other (ok so maybe it's more in S9, but we got some steam in S10.... ) they just now need to go back to figuring out a way to save the world together. TOGETHER. I think we need some more "200" like eps to break up the story, I think we need to move the story along and not have Vala is in danger cause she is being stupid eps, I think we need to use that spinning thing... err a star-gate i think? and get back to the roots of the show.

Is Daniel close to Vala? I think they have a bond of some sort - hell ya he saw her burn, she also tricked him into that whole thing, she is careless and thinks he will not mind her doing crap - but that is not enough for me to become a D/V shipper or anything. It makes that part of caring and understanding Daniel even more "aww" worthy. Why? Cause he is showing that no matter what, he is there, he cares. Just for Vala? I'm sure Daniel still visits Teal'c and Cam, nussles with Sam, but I agree we need to SEE it. I KNOW it's there - just throw us the visual bone!

Ok well before I take up half your blog... Ficdom is my dom. err... My kingdom.. better. I can make them do anything, and show that they love each other - all the time... just look at those kids! - and that they will all ways be my first and favorite couple.

I have NEVER been passionate about a show like I have been about SG. Buffy/Angel was my first "can't miss an ep" shows, but even that got tired. SG will always be my "comfort" show... just as chocolate and mashed potatoes - not together - will always be my comfort foods...
jessm78jessm78 on September 12th, 2006 11:53 am (UTC)
*whew* Ah, good. :) Sometimes I think I open my mouth just a little too widely... *thinks* that did not come out right...

Hmm, yeah I think you might have posted it somewhere before... but I agree. Even my mom said that she thinks Vala would have been better as a recurring character. Over in the anti-s10 thread, they were saying that there's such a huge difference between the way Jonas came into the show and settled into the team and how Vala did. He still interacted with each of the team - and so we got Sam/Jonas moments, Teal'c/Jonas and Jack/Jonas. It seems that it's all Daniel/Vala...just the occasional blip with other teammates when Daniel is not around. And yeah I think the focus on her is too much, or too much all at once.

Yeah definitely not as excited here either. Oh definitely, Daniel is still hot (don't think I can ever ever deny that - lol), and I love seeing Sam in action but we have not gotten too much of that. Hopefully we will get more later on this season. It's not really a team show anymore, just a bunch of people who work on a team..or...something like that...

*blushes* I must be blind as a bat because I do not remember shippy elements like stolen glances... maybe in Morpheus but I'm drawing a blank on others. I see Sam giving glances to Daniel now and then but Daniel not returning them. As for the steam...do you mean the PO'd look she gave him at the end of Memento Mori?

Yep - definitely need to go back to the show's roots. It would be nice to see them use that spinny round thing again. Spaceships are nice but are overused, imo. And yeah, we need a visual bone to gnaw on every now and then! Sick of seeing the D/V shippers strutting around with their chests puffed up that theirs is the canon ship because of all the wonderful shippy D/V moments. *rolls eyes*

Ah fic land is so much better... *happy sigh*