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26 October 2007 @ 06:32 pm
Anyone been to...  
... the Our Stargate forum lately? Man, I can't believe all the Sam haters over there. It's scary. I guess it makes sense in a way, since they're mostly huge Daniel fans who hated that some of the Sam focus (and S/J stuff) of the later seasons took away from Daniel.

I was over there looking for, of all things, con reports from the Collectormania con in the UK. I decided to bring up the "Sam and Daniel" thread since there was some good conversation going and it had been dead for almost a year. So a few people came on and started posting. I was talking about how much I hate fics where either Sam or Daniel is paired with someone else, and they bash each other (like the Cam/Vala fic I read where S/J was a secondary pairing, and they made it like Sam totally despised Daniel). I said that the friendship between Sam and Daniel is canon, or at least it's been since before S9.

Well... this one person jumps on me and says s/he hasn't seen any canon friendship between them since S3, at least as far as Sam is concerned. That Sam hasn't given a lick about anyone other than "sir." S/he gave examples like Daniel dying in Meridian and Sam being more concerned about getting her hands on the naquadria than the fact that the Kelownans were trying to call Daniel a terrorist. Um.... huh? S/he did mention "apart from one rather nauseatingly overplayed scene"....

Then s/he mentions Gemini and RepliCarter getting the info from Sam's mind so she could shoot Daniel without blinking an eye but hesitated to shoot Jack. And then s/he mentions Threads, that Sam just wanted to have Daniel declared dead and move on so she could get Jack's attention back on her, AND (and this takes the cake IMHO) that she looked "pretty darned p*ssed off" when he returned from the dead. Again."

Um... Okay. Am I missing something here? Sam looked pissed off when Daniel came back in Threads? HUH?

Then in another post I said I felt bad that Sam was wallpapered along with Teal'c in S10. This person shoots back with something like "you mean like the way Daniel and Teal'c got "shafted" for her in seasons 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8? Personally I think it was about bl**dy time AT learned that she too, "couldn't be the A plot all the time". Oh, and s/he also mentioned that it would be cool to see Sam eaten by a Wraith in Atlantis.

Sorry... I've always been a big fan of Daniel, but I'm not a Sam hater. I've had some issues with some ways she was portrayed in the past, but nothing too earth-shattering and I don't out and out hate her. I just hate when people try to use revisionist tactics to try to make their point. I never got such an idea from Threads.

I didn't think I was doing anything wrong by bringing up that thread, at least that it would attract the Sam haters. It's like you have to love Daniel, hate Sam, and love Daniel/Vala to post over there. Anyone else is not welcome. I think it's really sad.

So I just needed to vent about this... if anyone's interested in seeing the thread, point your browser here.
Current Mood: annoyedannoyed
Working for the Mandroid: Her Gazemoonshayde on October 26th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
Message me via yahoo or AIM please?
jessm78jessm78 on October 27th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
d'oh, I used to have yahoo on my old computer but these days I'm only set up with MSN. *embarrassed*
Working for the Mandroid: The Kiss (Sam/Daniel)moonshayde on October 27th, 2007 04:14 am (UTC)
Aw. I'd wanted to touch base with you about something. I have MSN and you can reach me as Essence on there. Only if you'd like. Don't feel obligated ;)
jessm78jessm78 on October 27th, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
Okie doke. :) That would be fine. Are you going to be around this evening? I'll try you then.
Working for the Mandroid: Corporalmoonshayde on October 27th, 2007 10:08 pm (UTC)
Sure, I'll be on this evening/tonight. I some work I'll need to do at my computer anyway.
jessm78: hairjessm78 on October 28th, 2007 12:38 am (UTC)
Okay, I think I'm a little clueless here... I tried to sign on to MSN and it had me update to a new version called Windows Live Messenger? I have no idea how to add you on that. It says something about adding contacts, and then adding an instant messaging address - which is something like "username@live.com" or "example@yahoo.com"... I guess yours would have the "live.com"?

Sorry if I sound a little clueless... It's been a month or so since I was on MSN and all these stupid upgrades confuse me.
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on October 28th, 2007 12:49 am (UTC)
When mine updated, I just kept clicking continue. If you want, you can email me your screenname and I'll message you. maybe that would be eaiser.
jessm78jessm78 on October 28th, 2007 01:14 am (UTC)
Okay, email sent.
maevebran: Sam Cartermaevebran on October 27th, 2007 12:44 am (UTC)
Umm. I have no idea where they get the idea that Sam and Daniel aren't friends since season three. One of te first questions we hear carter as when she gets back in the Road Not Taken is,"So you really got no information about Daniel while I was gone?" I'd say that shows friendly concern about Daniel and that is in the latter half of Season Ten.

jessm78: being therejessm78 on October 27th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, I don't know where they're getting their info from. I do know some people at that site hate Sam because they thought a big focus on her and the S/J stuff shoved Daniel to the side. I definitely saw concern from Sam regarding Daniel in the later seasons (even in S10 like you mentioned). I guess their hatred of the character has blinded them. *shrugs*

Thanks for the hugs :)
strider6strider6 on October 27th, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC)
Jess, you know I'm a huge sg-1 fan, but really, people must keep in mind this IS just a tv show!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish people could just respect each others opinions and relax.
jessm78: Fire and Waterjessm78 on October 27th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)
Exactly!! I really can't believe how obsessed some people get over this type of thing. It's as if they know the characters personally. I was just informed by someone there that this is what they do on that site: agree or argue.

I'm not much for arguing so I'll just take my leave of that place. I used to go there when I first became a SG fan because they were big Daniel fans and would have all the con reports and pics, but in the past few years they've turned into such Sam haters. They really do need to sit back and remember it's a TV show.
annikamalfoyannikamalfoy on October 27th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
It's pathetic the way some people are. And I didn't see any of the things "that person" did. Were they watching a different show than I was? And I totally understand the reason to vent. ::grin::
jessm78: being therejessm78 on October 28th, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
*grins back* Thanks. Yeah, they are way too protective of Daniel... anyone takes any ounce of screen time away from him is evil. Way too obsessive and scary...
annikamalfoyannikamalfoy on October 28th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
They're acting like Daniel is a real person and not just a character. Doesn't make sense.
jessm78jessm78 on October 30th, 2007 01:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's almost scary. I've also noticed that they despise Jonas. I've been at that site for about 5 years in one form or another (lurking for most of it actually) - and one thing I've always picked up on is that Daniel has been elevated to almost god-like status. He can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes. If you try to criticize the character for anything he's done, they take such offense.

Not all of them are like this, but a lot are. It pretty much boils down to this: Daniel good. Vala good. Daniel/Vala good. Daniel/Jack good. Sam/Jack bad. Sam bad. Sam/Daniel bad because Sam is not worthy of Daniel's friendship.

*throws up hands* (again this isn't everyone over there - but a good group of them)
pygmymuse on October 27th, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC)
No... I don't know what show they're watching, either, Jess. But I think that they just want to hate Sam & they'll use any reason to do it. Don't let them get to you. It's just a tv show, and we live in AU land, as obviously, so do they. :P

jessm78: inseparablejessm78 on October 28th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's what it seems like to me. She takes screen time away from Daniel (Jack is good because he equals more screen time for Daniel, as does Vala, Cam sometimes, but Sam subtracts from it... according to their logic).

But when you get right down to it, that's the thing... it is just a tv show. Would be nice if some people could remember that but I guess in their AU Daniel and Sam and everyone else are real people, not fictional characters.
bethtaurichick: Sam & Danielbethtaurichick on October 27th, 2007 08:57 pm (UTC)
You know, it's people like that (who post stuff like that) that makes me generally stay away from forums. You're right, it is really sad, and there was no need for that person to jump on you. I just don't get it- it's a fandom!! We're all fans, and entitled to our own opinions, so I just don't know why people have to go turn it into personal attacks on others. Oh well, I know I'm preaching to the choir tell you this- guess I just wanted to vent about it too :) Hubby's doing some homework while we're here in New Orleans (he's got to keep up his quota for his VA benefits) so I jumped on the computer for a bit :) Hope you're having a good weekend!
jessm78jessm78 on October 28th, 2007 02:14 am (UTC)
I don't blame you one bit. It's amazing how obsessed people can get with things like this. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that. Shame some people can't see that it works both ways.

Otherwise I'm having a pretty good weekend. Hope your time in New Orleans is going well! :)
Nicoletrisana on October 28th, 2007 01:29 am (UTC)
That's why I don't go there anymore. I hang out at GW instead.
jessm78jessm78 on October 28th, 2007 01:37 am (UTC)
Yeah, I def. don't go there as often as I used to. I mainly go for the con reports and pics. GW is much better.
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jessm78: hairsprayjessm78 on November 7th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
Oops, I somehow missed your post.*blushes*

I think all I can say is.... *applause* Okay, *almost* all I can say. You make some very good points and that's exactly how I see it. The whole thing in a nutshell is that quite a few people at that website are highly protective of Daniel. Anyone or anything that threatens to take screen time away from him they despise. Which is why they are so adverse to the S/J thing, Sam herself after season 3, and I believe Cam could be good or bad, depending on whether or not he has scenes with Daniel.

As much of a Daniel fan as I am, he is human and like everyone has his own little idiosyncrasies and faults. I don't hate any of the other characters just because Daniel may have to share screen time with them and I think some people take it much too far. I also believe that many of them hate Jonas and like to pretend S6 never existed... at least in some of the posts I've seen there.

I think they have selective memories. That person never mentioned the scene from Fallen. And I totally agree with your assessment of Meridian and all the other eps. They see things the way they want to see them and that's fine, but I didn't appreciate them bashing me just because I didn't hate Sam and disagreed that she hated him after S3. I don't like Sam being portrayed as the sum of her boyfriends either but I don't hate the character for it. It was a silly decision made by the writers.

Yeah, it just isn't worth it. They seem to have moved on now, although one idiot looked like he wanted to stir up trouble again. He's left though and I've left that discussion myself. I've just been posting in the con thread where people are nice and civil. :)

Apart from that I really don't go to the site very much at all.