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04 November 2007 @ 07:58 pm
Back from the con...  
And I have to say I had a really great time.  But I think checking my email was a huge mistake because I think my con high has skidded and I'm down in the dumps.

First of all, that stupid ugliness on Our Stargate... Some moron actually had the nerve to dredge it up again, even days after we'd all moved on.  They said "you have an innate sense of fairness." A sarcastic reply to something I'd said obviously.  So I guess it's another lackey of the idiot who started this thing defending her.  I seriously don't know why some people can't just let things die.

Then I get a review alert for my Cam/Vala and Sam/Daniel story on ff.net.  Telling me that S/D is gross, that they like C/V but S/D turns them off, and "are you guys even aware that Sam has loved Jack for most of the show and at Daniel's specific question she answered that she and Daniel were never anything but friends, more specifically that they never had romantic feelings for each other? Or do you just ignore that fact because it doesn't fit with your nice little delusional world? Or perhaps you don't even know that there's a Jack O'Neill (especially if you started watching show with S9) and that he and sam are in love?"

Wow.  Gee. I feel so loved.  I'm delusional because I don't see something the way someone else does.  And boy it's funny, but I was SO sure that I stated what the pairings were up front, AND I put a disclaimer that if you hate either of the pairings not to tell me so in a review. 

Seriously, are they ANY respectful Sam/Jack shippers out there? Meaning ones who won't find fics that pair either Sam or Jack with other people and flame the authors?  It's people like this who give shipping a bad name.  I replied to this person's review telling them I gave them fair warning and that I don't know why they can't just ship and let ship.  I wonder how old this person is, maybe 10? What's more I can't delete the stupid thing because it's not an anonymous review and if I reported them I know nothing can be done. 

It's for this reason that I was so hesitant to post any of my C/V fics on fanfiction.net, because the two I have written (well mostly written) include S/D as a secondary pairing and it seems that most people who ship C/V also ship S/J and are nasty and childish about the whole thing.

Yeah I know I shouldn't let this stuff bother me but I don't know why I should be putting up with crp like this.  I'm way too sensitive to not let things this stupid bother me. 

So yes I had a lot of fun at the con but now I'm in an awful mood because of these two idiots.  Sorry if you were expecting a con report and got this instead.  I just had to vent.  I will be putting up a report (and some pics hopefully) soon.
Current Mood: discontentdiscontent
Christine (aka) Pineapple >^..^<: SamDanielchris4short on November 4th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
Survey says: Idiots should think before pressing send. Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket Really, people need to know... Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket... and go back to where they came from. FAR FAR from us.

I quite like our "delusional" state of mind. And no, actually, Sam never said they didn't have a friendship OR romantic feelings when Daniel asked "was there anything between us" - it was the hesitation, the sudden panic and the hope that flashed on Sam's face (bless ya AT!) that said it all - she was afraid to say yes only to have him taken away, or WORSE find out his memories would come back and realize maybe he didn't like/love her the same way.

*pants* IDIOTS!!! The world knows Jack O'Neill... and maybe some didn't see that a RELATIONSHIP with one said Jack was never discussed. And for the record, neither was one between Daniel. That doesn't mean we can't dream our separate dreams.

/rant ;)
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on November 4th, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)
And maybe you should also tell them how AT and MS deliberately played up the Sam/Daniel angle in the early seasons. ;)
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Working for the Mandroid: unbreakablemoonshayde on November 4th, 2007 11:22 pm (UTC)
The Sam/Jack shippers on my flist are awesome. What is worse is that even they get flamed for not buying into the "right" notion of Sam/Jack. Plus, many of them are multishippers.

I wear my bad reviews like a badge. It means I've done something right. So, remember that. It means you did too.
jessm78: being therejessm78 on November 4th, 2007 11:43 pm (UTC)
That's good to know (that they're awesome anyway). :) Actually I do know a couple of multishippers who ship S/J and are respectful of other ships (just forgot about em in that rant of mine I guess).

The person also told me in their review they found some LJ community for C/V and they had to turn back because a lot of the stories had S/D as a secondary pairing. Well gee, what did they expect me to do, sympathize with them? Sheesh...

Yeah, when you put it that way... I've gotten under an obsessed S/J fan's skin so I must be doing something right for my end of the fandom. Thanks. :)
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Anna: Sam/Danlastingdreams8 on November 4th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry this person is giving Sam/Jack shippers such a bad name, but I swear, they probably can't read since they didn't heed your disclaimer;)
Also, I'm the kind of person who understands all ship. Of course Jack and Sam have a thing, but that doesn't leave Daniel in the dust, because hey, maybe she moved on:)
I hope things get better and they let it go:)
jessm78: being therejessm78 on November 5th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
Thanks. :) As much as I love to ship (well mostly in fanfic) people like this do give it a bad name. I haven't dealt with a ton of people like this, but enough to get pretty annoying.

Heh, yeah I was wondering about that... like "which part of 'if you don't like it, don't read it' don't you understand?!" Maybe I wrote it in some foreign language...

Thanks again :) I'm hoping so too. If I don't get a reply from them I guess they realized they're an idiot about this stuff (though I kinda doubt it since they couldn't read my disclaimer anyway). ;)
Spiletta42spiletta42 on November 4th, 2007 11:53 pm (UTC)
I'm a diehard 100% S/J OTPer. D/V too for that matter. I find it unpleasant to read Sam/Daniel fic, and if it's well written that just makes it all the more unpalatable for me. But you know what? There's a very simple solution to that -- I don't read it. Flaming people over the pairings they choose is childish and stupid, and anyone who behaves in such a manner is beneath contempt. Don't let obnoxious bullies ruin your squee.
jessm78: surprisedjessm78 on November 5th, 2007 12:17 am (UTC)
Thanks for the encouragement. :) I am the same way with certain pairings - they're not my cup of tea and I don't enjoy reading them. Not that I would ever force myself to. I know what I like and what I dislike, and I stay away from the types I find unpleasant. Those who don't... I don't know if they're satisfying their inner masochist or what. Even if I accidentally happened upon a fic with a pairing I didn't like I wouldn't flame the author - I would probably just try to forget I read it.

It is nice to meet other shippers who are respectful though, so thanks. :)
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annerb: Team 10annerbhp on November 5th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC)
by way of Moonshayde
*raises hand*

I'd like to consider myself a sane S/J shipper, okay, maybe not sane per se, but definitely respectful. And I am so sorry that the crazies decided to descend upon you. I say don't you dare stop posting your stuff at ff.net just because some small-minded people were, well, small-minded.

I am pretty much known as a S/J writer, but I remember this one time I posted something that was Sam/Daniel and I had someone informing me that Sam/Daniel is grosser than *rape* because, OMG THEY ARE SIBLINGS. I went a little crazy when I got that, but I have been training myself to see every batshit insane review as a badge of honor. If they are getting that worked up, we must be doing something right. :D

I say ship away, whatever you love, whatever pairing you see, write away and forget everyone else. Viva la revolucion. :)
jessm78: being therejessm78 on November 5th, 2007 02:22 pm (UTC)
Re: by way of Moonshayde
Thanks for the encouragement! :) It is great to meet other shippers who are more sane (er respectful), teehee.

Oh, wow, what a comment. I think I may have an idea who wrote it. If you don't mind me asking, what was the story? I may have read it at one point.

Yeah, I am starting to think of it that way. If I drive some obsessive, small-minded people insane, I must be doing something right. I'll have to remember that now. :)

Thanks again!
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Re: by way of Moonshayde - jessm78 on November 6th, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
ridin' the star mile: sam and daniel-computerstargazercmc on November 5th, 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
Hey there. moonshayde sent me this direction to spread some fandom love.

I'm one of the multi-shippers she mentioned. I've written Sam/Jack, and I've written Sam/Daniel. I'm most comfortable writing gen, but I've been writing pairings lately because I like the challenge of something I'm not entirely comfortable with. I'm a big ol' fan of the entire team, although Jack is my favorite character.

But basically, when it comes to fic, I think they all deserve lovin' and should be paired every way possible. If you'd like a nice, sane place to come play for a bit, I'd start with pretty much anyone and everyone who participated in the sd_ficathon earlier this year. There are some really good stories to be read in there, and while I wish there would have been more 'ship than friendship fics in there, it was certainly a good draw.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know that not everyone out there are a buncha loons who think their way is the only way there is.
jessm78jessm78 on November 5th, 2007 02:39 pm (UTC)
Hey, thanks for dropping by. :) That's how I feel - I don't care what pairing someone writes. If it's not a pairing I particularly like I just won't read it. No sense in spoiling the fun for those who do like it.

Thanks for the reminder about the sd_ficathon. I started reading the stories in there way back when but after my accident this summer I fell behind and still haven't finished reading them all. I am going to make it a point to spend some more time over there, if just for a little pick-me-up.

Thanks for the support!
Five-eigths rubber ball: Daniel Sam blues brothersniamaea on November 5th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC)
Here via Moonshayde
Hi -- I'm so sorry to hear you got that kind of insanity in your reviews. I'm not an S/J shipper by any means, but I'm friends with quite a few (very sane) ones, and for what it's worth, when stuff like this has come up, none of them seem to be at all impressed with this kind of behavior from their fellow shippers. So yeah, there are definitely some cool ones out there.

You should absolutely still post your fics at ff.n -- don't let The Ship Police keep you down!

Also: AAH! I was at the con this weekend too. It WAS really fun. I met so many people that I wonder if I didn't actually meet you too! I was mostly hanging around with some of the people from Gateworld, who I didn't know before but met through hsapiens. What were you up to?

(And I gotta say, Michael's hair today...heh.)
jessm78jessm78 on November 5th, 2007 01:13 am (UTC)
Re: Here via Moonshayde
Thanks. :) I do know a couple personally who are usually pretty good about it. I was just really cranky when I posted that and I kinda overlooked them.

You were there!! COOL! I hung out with some of the people from Gateworld too. I'm JessM over there and like the big geek that I am I was wearing a badge with my screen name and custom avatar. I was the nervous girl who asked Michael the question about team friendship in the upcoming movies, if that helps.

And yeah his hair was pretty interesting today. ;) I like the long hair but it was all over the place, like he forgot his comb...
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Spiletta42spiletta42 on November 5th, 2007 12:24 am (UTC)
Okay, you know what? I just tracked down the fic and found the review. The reviewer has written ZERO stories and is named "BallsBreaker" -- um, I think you can safely discount this individual as being worthy of having an opinion. Also, anyone who is in the act of openly praising the uncanon ship Cam/Vala forfeits any rights to then use canon as an argument against any other pairing, especially in the same paragraph.

zats_clear: bad day samzats_clear on November 5th, 2007 10:29 am (UTC)
you are an angel to track that down and I have been in total agreement with you assessment!

this GIP is for Jess with love,
Blue_Eyes_n_Big_Guns from Gateworld!
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knightshadedknightshade on November 5th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC)
I'm also here via moonshayde. And yes, there are sane, respectful, and very nice S/J shippers out there. There is also batshit crazy lurking in every corner of fandom. Sorry you had to run into them. Don't let them scare you off of posting though. Everyone gets a review like that some time or another.
jessm78: Fire and Waterjessm78 on November 6th, 2007 05:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the support. :) Crazy stuff like this makes me forget that I know a few S/J shippers who are respectful, and I've been meeting many more here.

Does seem that every corner of fandom has its bad apples. I know of Daniel fans who are way too protective of the guy and despise anyone who threatens to take screen time away from him. But luckily they are in the minority.

I'm learning to take reviews like that as a badge of courage. I must be doing something right if it gets under the skin of obsessive people like that.

Thanks again!
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Working for the Mandroid: and beyondmoonshayde on November 5th, 2007 12:54 am (UTC)
That's too bad :( I had to stop posting there because of the same kind of thing. And it's too bad because I used to chat with lovely people like you over there.
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aurora_novarumaurora_novarum on November 5th, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
My firewall program always goes nuts if I try and access fanfiction.net...sometimes I think it is very wise. :-)

Don't worry about this "reviewer" who probably didn't even read the story. There are sane shipper fans out there. I've met them! And plenty of multishppers too.

Oh yeah, I'm also one of the moonshayde horde. Gen fan by default in canon and fanon, but if I get shoved fanonwise, I veer towards reading Daniel/Sam (or Daniel/Janet, or Daniel/Sha're...um...I think there may be a pattern).
jessm78: being therejessm78 on November 8th, 2007 03:47 pm (UTC)
Heh... I think it could be trying to tell you something. :) I did once write a tag for Affinity that was S/D and I guess a S/J shipper mistakenly thought it'd be S/J even though I said what the pairing was. She was pretty nice about it though. I have friends who've gotten the usual "do you have your head buried so far into the sand that you can't see that Sam and Jack have feelings for each other??" type of flame - I guess it was only a matter of time before I got them.

Yeah, I doubt they even read the story - just made a note of the pairings, scrolled down and hit "review." I am now learning that sane shippers (and multi shippers) do exist, and I'm glad. A breath of fresh air from the "my way or the highway" type of shippers.
Abyssis: SG1 - Sam and Daniel kissabyssinia4077 on November 5th, 2007 01:26 am (UTC)
Some people out there are crazy. But I promise I've met plenty of sane Sam/Jack shippers (admittedly a lot of them are more multiship friendly and many ship Sam/Daniel too) and shippers of other persuasion also.

Just take it as a badge of honor and don't let the crazy fans out there take away your joy. Fandom should be about being happy and enjoying yourself, and having fun with the characters, not trying to ruin what makes other people happy. Just don't let the asshats win :)
jessm78jessm78 on November 8th, 2007 03:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, there do seem to be a handful of crazies that need to try and ruin things. Fortunately it's just a sprinkle of them in a sea of sane shippers (though sometimes it can seem like there are more).

I did meet a few people on Gateworld who ship both S/J and D/V but are respectful of people who ship other pairings or don't ship at all. Including one who, while she doesn't ship S/D (she is another S/J and D/V shipper), loves the S/D friendship. So at least she isn't one of the "Sam and Daniel are siblings!" people screaming in my ear.

Thanks for the support. :) I'm going to try to not let this stuff bother me so much and look at it from the point of view that if I got under their skin I must be doing something right. :)
holdouttrout: Thinky Danielholdouttrout on November 5th, 2007 01:35 am (UTC)
Here via moonshayde ;-)
I, too, am an S/J shipper...well, I started out as a die-hard S/J fan, although I would never have sent a review like that. So many S/J peeps are batshit insane, but some of us are pretty nice. You've got some gems already posting here.

I just wanted to say that we're out there. And we can sometimes change our minds.

Do I think Sam/Daniel is canon? No. Do I still ship Sam and Jack? HECK YES. Do I think Sam/Daniel is awesome like cheese? You betcha'.
jessm78: hairjessm78 on November 8th, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Here via moonshayde ;-)
Hey, great to meet another sane S/J shipper. :) And the ones I've already met here have been pretty nice. I guess sometimes the crazies can seem more in number than the sane ones - plus I was already fed up with the annoying sock puppet over at Our Stargate.

I don't know what compels people to do that - either read or just review something they know they're going to hate. I would never leave a review like that for anything either. Only thing I did close to that was for a Cam/Vala fic in which the author snuck in a S/J wedding (even though they just listed C/V as the pairing). I only said that I wasn't expecting the S/J wedding and it would have been nice if they'd listed it as a pairing. Not that it really irked me a lot, but it's just courtesy to list all the pairings IMHO.

Heh. :D I have to thank you again for alerting me to that one nice promo pic. I'd seen most of the others somewhere else but not that last one. *grinny grin*

Thanks again for the support!
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mysticalweather: SW: (the_sublime_cat) Darth's  mysticalweather on November 5th, 2007 01:36 am (UTC)
(Hi, you don't know me, but I saw your post and wanted to comment...)

*sigh* That is one of my biggest pet peeves of fandom. (And talk about a convention buzz-kill! But try not to let people like that get you.)

Funny, you used the phrase "ship and let ship" which is actually something I've said before in the past. I really don't understand people who flame like that. It makes me *so* mad when I see people who are that disrespectful of someone else's opinion.

And no offense intended to S/J shippers...but I truly avoid that fandom whenever possible because of the flames I've seen from some of their members. Fortunately my primary pairing is Daniel/Janet, so I don't have to worry about it too much in that regard. (And my Sam/Barrett fiction has so far gone by undetected. ;))

But I've learned one must take reviews on ff.net with less than a grain of salt. Still, there's no excuse for behaving like an idiot.

Just try not to let stupid people spoil your fun.

jessm78: Fire and Waterjessm78 on November 8th, 2007 04:58 pm (UTC)
Thanks for commenting and for the support. :)

Same here, it's almost amazing how some people take this sort of thing so seriously.

Heh, I can't remember when I started saying that. I think it was over a year ago when I ran into some obsessive "I'm right you're wrong" Daniel/Vala shippers at some website...possibly Gateworld. But it's always been my philosophy. I don't care what other people ship, slash, or whatever. Just as long as they're civil and don't get all in my face about it.

I've known a few Daniel/Janet shippers (and Daniel/Weir, Sam/Martouf, etc.) and they've always been very pleasant to talk to. I think the smaller ships (Sam/Daniel included) tend to breed less obsessive people than the larger, more "popular" ships. They're more laid back and I guess part of the reason is because we've never gotten anything definite in regard to our ships in the show. We rely on subtext for the most part and we can expand upon it to our heart's content. If others see it more as friendship, then that's fine too.

Yeah, I usually take the ff.net reviews with a grain of salt too. I once got a review on there from someone who was criticizing me for writing a genre that she doesn't like to read. Takes all kinds...

Thanks again for the support. :)
aizjanikaaizjanika on November 5th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
Here via moonshayde.

I think there are lots of respectful and nice people who are Sam/Jack shippers out there. I admit that when I first entered the SG-1 fandom, I encountered some scary people--really scary! *g* I think because of that atmosphere, I got a bit hyped up myself back then, which I regret now, but I don't think I was ever outright rude to anyone. I hope not anyway.

When it comes to fanfic, I eventually fell into the Daniel/Jack side of things (both slash and friendship), but I loved Daniel/Sam, too--especially at first. Even though Daniel/Jack is my ultimate OTP, I admit to secretly liking a bit of Daniel/Cameron, too. hehe (I like to pretend that Vala doesn't exist on my show.)

I don't think I've ever had a pairing turn me off as much as Sam/Jack, but it has never bothered me that other people love S/J. I don't really understand it when people don't want other people to enjoy whatever they enjoy. If asked, I could easily list out reasons why I don't like Sam/Jack, but I'd never ask anyone to see it my way--only to realize that I have reasons, just as we all have reasons for what we think or what we like--even if those reasons are just "because that's what I like." *g*

BTW, I don't know if I know you from Our Stargate. I haven't been there in a very long time, but I'm an OS refugee. That was my preferred online home for a long time, and I miss it still. Most of my LJ friends--the ones who actually talk to me anyway *g*--are people I knew from OS.

I don't really like fanfiction.net as a site for a variety of reasons, but I hope you post your fic here on LJ--in your own LJ and in the appropriate SG-1 communities.
aizjanika: sg-1 daniel yum - by eyeslikesilkaizjanika on November 5th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC)
Oops. I forgot to change my icon, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity to use this one. :-)
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