Log in

No account? Create an account
13 May 2015 @ 10:36 pm
SPN #10x22 The Prisoner (episode review)  
Okay, I hope these thoughts are somewhat coherent...

Holy crap, Dean is really scaring me now. :(

First a word about the Stynes. There is still a bit too much time spent on them for my liking. And did anyone see the parallels between the youngest boy and Sam? Like an anvil, they were. And that very reason is what scares me concerning Sam, based on what Dean said to the kid before he killed him. More on that later.

Poor Sam and his guilt over what happened to Charlie. I still say she was stupid to leave alone like that, and Cas shouldn't have left her alone either (and I'm glad he admitted that when he was talking to Sam later). And not only did Dean telling Sam "I'd rather it be you up there than her" really hurt, it scared me. It's so obvious this is the Mark talking.

I have to admit I rolled my eyes when they had the sappy music and the Charlie montage. I guess they had to appease all the Charlie fanatics who were weeping and screaming bloody murder on Tumblr & Twitter, though. I mean, they didn't even do that for Bobby when he died.

I figured Charlie had sent that email to Sam, and now they think they can crack the book's code and cure Dean. Sam was all ready to shut this down as Dean asked him to, but now he really can't. The way he is so devoted to saving Dean, mentioning how Dean always wanted to save him above everything else...aww, I want to hug you, Sam. But these things never go well for you guys. Also, Sam telling Dean about how he needs him and doesn't want him to change just broke my heart.

Dean finds the Stynes and kills them, except the youngest kid and the other two. I figured at the end of the last episode they'd come upon the bunker.

Rowena's plan for Sam to kill Crowley didn't go over so well, did it. I'm actually glad it wasn't that easy. Though I wonder what's going to happen with him now. I guess Dean could still try to kill him? And I suppose he'll really be at odds with Rowena again.

Dean kills the remaining Stynes in the bunker. Again, his killing of the youngest boy gave me chills, especially because of the parallels to Sam. He insisted to Dean he's not like his family but Dean said the evil would always be inside him. The kid pleads for his life, but Dean kills him anyway. I'm seriously worried that this is total, 100% foreshadowing of what he will do to Sam.

Cas arrives and insists that he and Sam are trying to cure Dean. Dean apparently believes there's no guarantee it will happen, or he doesn't want to believe. He tells Dean about how bad the Mark will be and he'll eventually turn, etc. Dean goes nuclear on Cas and holy shit, it looks like he's going to stab him. But no, he actually doesn't. He warns Cas that he & Sam better stay away from him.

And that's it.

I have no idea what to expect next week. I don't want to spoil, for anyone who hasn't seen the preview, but one element of it is interesting. The thing that scares me the most, again, is the possible foreshadowing of Dean killing Sam when he shot that kid. If this is what they are doing, I will scream bloody murder next week. Because to me, I don't see how the relationship between the brothers would ever be the same. If Dean is ever cured by the Mark's influence, he'd be so guilty for allowing himself (or someone else, and I say this based on someone I saw in the preview...you might be able to guess who) to kill Sam. I know, I know, if he dies he'll be back early next season, bla bla blah, but the whole "yay, Sam is back, but what's wrong with him?" meme is really getting old to me. Meh, I guess I've got no choice but to stop watching if this is the case. :/

Sorry if I sound overly negative...I guess I'm just not that optimistic. The one thing that did seem interesting to me is that it looked like Cain's prophesy was coming true. First we thought Crowley was gone (though not by Dean's hand, but by Sam's), but he wasn't. Then they wanted to make it look like Dean had stabbed Cas, but he didn't. Could this be a pattern? That even if Dean tries to kill Sam, or it seems as if he has, it ends up not being the case? Or are the writers actually not that smart (or was this just to fake us out till next week)? Still I don't see how Dean could just kill all 3 of them; I think that would be way too much. If one of them doesn't die it would mean Cain's prophesy wouldn't be fulfilled, right?

Dang, there I go trying to sound positive, lol. Trying so hard to lower my expectations...*sigh*
Current Mood: contemplativecontemplative
KCSkcscribbler on May 14th, 2015 03:03 am (UTC)
Spoilers in Comment

See, I'm holding out hope that Death is involved because if we think back, Lucifer is the only being we know of who was powerful enough to bind him way back when. If anyone knows how to undo a curse or magic created by Lucifer himself, it would be Death, and he might just step in because Dean is upsetting the order of things too much? Foolish hope, I know.

The other alternative, might be that they're bookending this with an eerie parallel to episode one of season nine - maybe Death can make Dean die permanently, Mark or no Mark, and maybe this time it's Sam who's going to screw that up by taking that decision away from his brother thinking he's found a cure, against Dean's wishes. All very much mirroring what Dean did in 9 with Gadreel's possession, etc.

And am I the only one that has a very, very bad feeling about this spell that only Rowena is going to know the actual translation of? What happened the last time we did something like this without knowing what the real effect was? Oh right, all the angels fell...and before that, we released Lucifer...
Amy Cooperamycooper on May 14th, 2015 11:56 am (UTC)
I still say how poorly Charlie's death was written really devalues its impact. For the first half of the episode I kept thinking, "Well, it was dumb of her to leave, well it was dumb of Cas to not go after her, well it was dumb of her not to try and escape, well it was dumb that she took on two of these guys and killed on, but couldn't take on one of them with one arm, well it is dumb they didn't just bring her back to Cas to resurrect..." I almost felt like that clip show was a weak attempt at giving the dramatic impact that is missing from last episode, mainly because it was so poorly written.

My idea would have been better, would have given the previous episode a much higher death toll and would have probably made me hated by the fandom forever, since it would have meant Cas, Crowley and probably Charlie would have all been dead. :p I'm evil.

I'm still strongly doubting Sam's going to get killed and, if he does, that they'll rehash the whole "came back wrong/without a soul" storyline in S11. Whatever does happen, it needs to set up for S11 besides putting in closure(?) to S10. My guess is either one of the untouched loose threads is going to resurface (Metatron with demon tablet for example) or S11 will have to deal with the consequences of closing S10 (for example, what if the do use the book to cure Dean, what's the kickback to that?)
jessm78: Long Pondjessm78 on May 16th, 2015 03:29 pm (UTC)
I agree 100%. They really did a poor job with it. The clip show felt like it was just something they slapped on there.

Heh, if you're evil then I am too, because I really like that idea.

Yeah, the more I think about it and some of the little snippets that were given (in the TV Guide episode description, some of the things Jensen has said, etc.), it doesn't seem to point to Sam getting killed. I'm with you, revisiting one of those threads seems like the best option. Metatron did escape and I was wondering if he'd be involved again somehow.
Kadysnbt_kady on May 14th, 2015 09:16 pm (UTC)
My thought is that Death will give Dean the choice - he'll take away the MoC but Dean will have to allow Death to reap Sam, for good. Sam would even agree to it as long as Dean is saved. Dean will agree, and season 11 would be how would Dean and Cas get Sam back? We'll see if I'm right.
jessm78jessm78 on May 15th, 2015 01:42 am (UTC)
That idea had crossed my mind too, actually. Though I have to wonder how many episodes of S11 it would take to get Sam back? I don't know if I'd like the idea of at least half a season (potentially a lot more) without Sam.

Edited at 2015-05-15 01:43 am (UTC)
Kadysnbt_kady on May 15th, 2015 01:45 am (UTC)
Oh, we'd still have Sam, it's just that the brothers wouldn't be together until Sam was brought back. This would possibly be another chance for Bobby to return. Also, maybe Kevin? Anyone dead and on the other side of the veil/heaven.

They still have Metatron to deal with too, don't they?
jessm78jessm78 on May 15th, 2015 02:15 am (UTC)
So would they be communicating with him across the veil like they would with Bobby or Kevin? That would indeed be different, but I think some brothers fans might be turned off by it (personally I wouldn't be too happy seeing them apart for a long period of time). I don't really trust the writers to devote much time to showing Sam in this form. I fear they'd treat him like a secondary character & devote most of the episodes to Dean & Cas. As much as I wasn't thrilled with Soulless!Sam in S6, at least he was back from the beginning and interacted with Dean.

That's true. Metatron is still out there.

I was just thinking of the TV Guide description of this episode. It said something about Dean making a decision that not only changes his life, but Sam's as well. That doesn't really point to Sam dying, although maybe they were just being cryptic.

Edited at 2015-05-15 03:05 am (UTC)
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 16th, 2015 02:47 pm (UTC)
I really don't think Sam is going to die. I mean how the hell would Sam and Dean's relationship ever be the same again.

Outta the two of them, Sam and Dean I think it's more likely Dean will die (again) or become death which is so dumb it might just happen. -__-
jessm78: Supernatural: Puppy Sam in 7x05jessm78 on May 16th, 2015 03:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, when I think of the things that have been said, like the TV Guide description for the episode (they said Dean makes a decision that could change Sam's life - or his and Sam's) and what Jensen has said so far at JIB con it doesn't sound like it's pointing to Sam dying.

That's what it's sounding like to me. Some fans have speculated that Dean could actually kill Death and become the new Death. I guess that could fit with Dean saying a fan favorite will die. Or maybe both of them (he and Death) would die.
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 18th, 2015 05:55 pm (UTC)
If Dean becomes death I will so pissed. I mean how fucking dumb and Dean as already been death.

Fuck Carver he makes Sam an angel (kind of) Dean a demon and what now Dean will be death. It's supposed to be Sam and Dean fighting monsters not Sam and Dean becoming Supernatural creatures themselves
jessm78: Supernatural: Puppy Sam in 7x05jessm78 on May 18th, 2015 06:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I won't be as pissed as I would be if he actually killed Sam, but it would still be pretty stupid. Sadly these writers have a bad track record when it comes to recycling storylines/plots. :/

The thing I don't understand is that Carver had written some good episodes way back when, like A Very Supernatural Christmas. It's like it all went to shit when he became showrunner. I miss the days of Kripke. Heck now even Sera doesn't seem quite as bad as Carver does (even though I hated some of the S6 stuff).
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 18th, 2015 08:50 pm (UTC)
Carver can write when he puts some effort in but he's no show runner.

Jensen and Jared (Jensen especially) say's the final will be great but they said that last season and it wasn't soooo yeah. Pinch of salt
jessm78: Supernatural: Sam pouting (3x06)jessm78 on May 18th, 2015 09:15 pm (UTC)
THIS. We saw the same thing in Stargate. One of the writers was very good early on but when he became show runner he sucked so much. I hate to see this happening to SPN but I suppose it happens to almost every show. :/

Yep. Sadly I've learned not to trust what they say either.
cuddyclothescuddyclothes on May 14th, 2015 09:31 pm (UTC)
I don't want to speculate, I want to be surprised.

My reaction to this episode was very mixed, but much more positive on rewatch (esp. when FF-in past all of the Styne crap). Dean is scary, Crowley is scary, Rowena is scary, Sam is broken and Cas...well, Cas is just Cas because they don't know what to do with him. I'm kind of hoping he'll get killed in this finale.
jessm78: Long Pondjessm78 on May 15th, 2015 03:07 am (UTC)
I really gotta be more like you here...just wish I knew how to be more disciplined about it.

Yep, that's pretty much how I feel about it.
mosinging1986 on May 16th, 2015 05:06 am (UTC)
That was horrible!

I do hope this is the Mark talking and acting but... I had to mute it when he was hurting poor Cas!

And oh, look. Let me try to go to sleep now, after watching that.


Edited at 2015-05-16 05:07 am (UTC)
jessm78jessm78 on May 16th, 2015 03:19 pm (UTC)
Wasn't it?

Ugh, the whole thing was so painful.

I couldn't sleep for a while after seeing that episode. *winces*
darkdreams1222dreamsofspike on May 16th, 2015 01:06 pm (UTC)
This episode had me so emotional from beginning to end, cried several times, and was on the edge of my seat whimpering "no, no, no!" at my screen... a lot :P lol

I agree that it's the Mark talking when Dean says that Sam should have died instead of Charlie. That Mark is connected with the idea of fratricide in every way, so Dean talking about Sam dying sets off HUGE alarms for me.

One little point of disagreement for me on your review:

I have to admit I rolled my eyes when they had the sappy music and the Charlie montage. I guess they had to appease all the Charlie fanatics who were weeping and screaming bloody murder on Tumblr & Twitter, though. I mean, they didn't even do that for Bobby when he died.

No, Bobby got an ENTIRE EPISODE from HIS POV centered around his life and relationship with the boys. "Death's Door" was nothing but a Bobby tribute from start to finish, and a well-deserved one. But if comparing Bobby's send-off with Charlie's, I'd say Bobby definitely got a better, more respectful one. :/
mosinging1986 on May 16th, 2015 10:46 pm (UTC)
I agree that it's the Mark talking when Dean says that Sam should have died instead of Charlie.

Oh, man, I hope it was the Mark influencing him to say such a hideous thing! I was watching online and the sound quality wasn't that good. I thought that's what I'd heard and I felt sick thinking... He COULDN'T have said such a thing!

Honestly, I've loved these two guys for 10 seasons now, and I've never felt as close to actually hating Dean as I did watching this last night. I had bizarre nightmares about entirely unrelated things, but I wonder if it wasn't influenced by this somehow. I very rarely have nightmares.
Yellowbulma: Sleeping Samyellowbulma on May 16th, 2015 02:39 pm (UTC)
"I have to admit I rolled my eyes when they had the sappy music and the Charlie montage. I guess they had to appease all the Charlie fanatics who were weeping and screaming bloody murder on Tumblr & Twitter, though. I mean, they didn't even do that for Bobby when he died."

ALL OF THIS!! I was rolling my eyes so fucking hard. Even in death Charlie is an annoying Mary-sue. Ding dong glad the bitch is gone. Now she better stay fucking gone.

That scene with Sam and Dean at the start was so fucking hard to watch. I just wanted to hug Sam though out the whole episode.

And sorry if you enjoyed the episode but I just hated it. The only scene I enjoyed was the Sam and Crowley scene. Sam calling Crowley out for all the awful shit he as done, which reminded (finally)Crowley who he is Supposed to be. When Crowley's eyes went red, it was just so awesome. Jared and Mark should have more scene's together cause this scene and the church scene from 8x23 they both did an amazing job.

Too much focus on the Stynes for my liking and where are the women of the family?! Knew Dean was going to kill mini Sam (really writers? Talk about hitting us over the head with it. Like when the have Dean wear the red shirt of doom when he's going "bad".)

The fight between Castiel and Dean was pretty meh. (by this point I just wanted the episode over. Also again Castiel only as powers when needed.) Though I will admit when Dean stabbed the knife for a minute there I actual thought Dean did it.

My hopes for the final are really low right now.

Edited at 2015-05-16 02:41 pm (UTC)
jessm78: Supernatural: Sam pouting (3x06)jessm78 on May 16th, 2015 03:25 pm (UTC)
Glad it's not just me who felt that way! It almost felt like they added it in after fans were ranting online about them killing her.

Me too. My heart broke so much when Dean told him he'd rather see Sam up there on the funeral pyre :( And Sam is so devoted to saving him.... *sigh*

Honestly, I didn't enjoy it. Dean freaked me out the way he went nuclear like that and even if it was just the Mark talking, I HATED what he said to Sam. I agree about the Sam & Crowley scene. Jared & Mark did a great job.

I'm really not interested in the Stynes and I was a bit bored with all the focus on them.

I did too, although then I remembered reading that Castiel was supposed to be in the finale so he couldn't have died just yet (unless they would try to fake us out with the episode description).

Mine are too. :( I almost don't want to watch, but I probably will for completion's sake. This is going to be one hell of a hiatus I think. :/
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 18th, 2015 05:52 pm (UTC)
The writers need to STOP trying to please the whining children online and just get on with writing the show. Just because a few loud "fans" bitch doesn't mean shit.

Being honest I just couldn't enjoy watching Dean as some fans put it being badass. After what he said. I mean he was still Dean enough to care about Charlie-sue and the Impala But not enough to wish Sam was dead?! Sorry not going to fly with me and Sam better get an apology but since this was Sam most likely he will have to suck it up.

I will be surprised if Castiel dies, my money's still on Crowley.

I have watched and will keep watching BUT my hopes are low for the final
jessm78jessm78 on May 18th, 2015 06:24 pm (UTC)
AMEN! I hate when they try to give in like that and placate the loudest fans. The same sort of thing happened with Stargate SG-1, another show I loved but got worse IMO in its final 2 seasons. They seemed to go out to their way to please certain fans (mostly shippers) and to me it was no longer the show I knew and loved. One of the writers even had the nerve to blog about how the finale was going to please fans of a certain contingent! Ugh.

Yeah, what he said left a really bad taste in my mouth. I know it was supposed to be the Mark talking, but that was really, really cold and sickening.

I agree, I've seen some signs pointing to Crowley dying.

You're definitely not alone, hon. I'm cringing just thinking about the finale. *sigh*
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 18th, 2015 09:23 pm (UTC)
Well more fool them cause if you let them think they can get their way they will just get louder and nastier.

I'm not angry at Dean, just the bad writing and Carver's need to have Sam and Dean fighting/butting heads. And then we are given some "proud of us" line and that makes it all better. Rise and repeat.

Fingers crossed for the final hon