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04 November 2015 @ 10:24 pm
SPN #11x05 Thin Lizzie (episode review)  
Here are my thoughts on this episode...

First of all, when I first heard what this episode was going to be about, I squeed. I mean, having roots in Massachusetts and knowing about the whole Lizzie Borden story, I thought it was cool they were doing an episode surrounding this. I do have to admit though that I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't really an episode about ghosts/vengeful spirits. I know they kinda had to involve the darkness/Amara in a way and that's how they chose to do it, but... Still, I was kinda hoping for a good old ghost episode. Just being nostalgic after last week, I guess.

That said, this episode did have a lot of moments I enjoyed: Research!Sam, with some Geek!Sam tied into that and Dean kinda teasing him, the boys checking into the B&B (almost thought for a second there'd be a joke about them sharing the one room as in previous eps like Playthings, but I guess they thought it'd been done before, lol), brotherly banter in the room with Dean complaining abut the doilies and Sam spraying the toilet water, lol...good stuff, made me think of the old days. :)

Have to admit that superfan guy Len reminded me of that loser character back from Wishful Thinking back in season 4...the one played by Ted Raimi...I think he even had a similar name, lol. When Sam told him that once your soul is gone, you can't get it back I was like "wait, what??" Sam wasn't being truthful, though thinking of the situation I guess he was saying it in part to shut the guy up since he was getting on both their nerves at the time?

Amara is still a creepy bitch. It's sad the situation the babysitter girl was in, but Amara basically turned her into a sociopath. Len had his soul stolen away by her, but he seemed to be a different case. Are there...degrees of soullessness? Maybe it depends on the person's emotional state in a way? I did like seeing how Sam rushed up right when babysitter girl struck Dean. I also noticed that at first Dean said something about killing these people and Sam said they would try to save them. Then when Len told Dean he could kill him in the end, Dean wouldn't do it. So instead Len would turn himself in.

Did anyone else think that the boy (Geordie?) looked like a mini Sam with the hair and clothes? :) I loved Sam's little talk with him, sympathizing with him over losing parents and telling him he would be okay.

Speaking of talks...broment against the Impala!! *squeee* :D (and with food, too!) Do you think Dean was completely honest with Sam about how he felt when he first interacted with Amara? I have to go back and watch that scene again. Then they get into the car with that little "Brothers theme" music. Ah, another shoutout to days of yore. ;)

So I did like this episode, even though I was slightly disappointed that it wasn't really a true ghost story type thing. I still liked it better than episode 3 and again it did still have some of that old school feel. As for the preview for the next episode, well I won't get into that but I think I could make a whole rant about it. *sigh*
 
 
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percysownerpercysowner on November 5th, 2015 02:24 am (UTC)
When Sam told him that once your soul is gone, you can't get it back I was like "wait, what??" Sam wasn't being truthful, though thinking of the situation I guess he was saying it in part to shut the guy up since he was getting on both their nerves at the time?

I just checked and Sam said "Generally, you don't", so not so much of a lie. Death is dead, so there is no one to bargain with. Len's soul isn't trapped in a bottle, so no one can release it and give it back. At best Amara has it and they have no idea how to even find her, let alone get her to give it back. Dean, at least, knows Crowley said she eats souls, so it probably isn't retrievable.

I think they hinted that how people act when they are soulless is affected by who they were and what emotional damage they had suffered before they lost their souls. Sam was pretty moral and had a way to act out his violent urges without turning on people, he just killed monsters. Jenna lost her parents young, which would have affected her emotionally. The babysitter was abused, but she only hurt people who hurt her, or people she thought was hurting the kid. She wanted to protect the kid. The people in Mother's Little Helper lost their souls when the demon head-nun stole them. We can assume that she targeted people who would cause chaos when they were soulless, which was why they were acting out and killing. Just my guess.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on November 5th, 2015 11:16 am (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense, thanks!

I totally missed the "generally" part, and with the rest of that explanation it sounds like Sam was't really off there.
andiivalo: Impalaandiivalo on November 5th, 2015 10:29 am (UTC)
I didn't really like it. After the gorgeousness of "Baby" last week it was always going to be an anticlimax and I'm right back to feeling how I've felt about this whole season. Ambivalent. I was hoping for a lighter hearted episode, to tie in more with last week
and bring us down from the high gently. This wasn't really it. Best moment was the final scene where Dean looks off into the woods where Amara is and her promise to see him soon. That could actually go somewhere interesting if they do it right (or write).

That piece of music at the end is called "Dean's Dirty Organ" which I've always found hilarious. It's been in the show since day one.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on November 5th, 2015 11:25 am (UTC)
I admit that I didn't like it quite as much as last week's, no question about that, but I definitely would prefer this episode to the ones with all the angel stuff and the choppy, multiple threads going on in eps where you have Sam & Dean preoccupied with one thing (and getting maybe 2 minutes of screen time altogether), Cas/angels with something else, and then Crowley/demons/Rowena with yet something else. Eps like that hardly have any cohesiveness to them and leave me either overwhelmed by all the different things taking place, or really bored.

So while I agree that it wasn't as good for me as last week's, and like I said I was disappointed that it wasn't actually a good ghost story (and I do agree on missing the light-hearted aspect), I still prefer this one over the "wait, what thread is this?" (lol) episodes.

Agree that the part where they drove off & Amara saying she'll see Dean soon is interesting. Wonder where that will lead. Will she try to take Dean's soul?

Thank you! I have the soundtrack & knew it had an official name, but for the life of me couldn't remember it. And yes, I immediately recognized it & loved them including this throwback to the early days. :)

Edited at 2015-11-05 02:26 pm (UTC)
andiivaloandiivalo on November 5th, 2015 12:17 pm (UTC)
You're right, of course.

Anything following 'Baby' was always going to be an anticlimax and yes, I'll take 42 minutes of unadulterated Winchester over all the other angel/demon crap which I'd stopped caring about by season five. (Looks like next week is going to be a return to that particular 'form', sadly).

I suppose it's because I was expecting it to be a funny type episode with a real monster rather than more of the Amara storyline (yawn), that it didn't meet my expectations. I'll watch it again at some point, but probably not soon. Not while 'Baby' needs a sixth or seventh viewing. ;o)

What's the soundtrack like? I'm guessing there's no songs on it, more the incidental music and recurring themes?
jessm78jessm78 on November 5th, 2015 02:14 pm (UTC)
I'm with you. I was over that stuff around that time, and it just seems to have gotten worse in the last few seasons with all the back and forth between the plots.

That makes total sense. :) I was hoping it'd be more of a funny episode too (actually I was kind of hoping, maybe almost expecting, it to be like Ask Jeeves last season). Oh definitely, I'm still rewatching Baby and not thinking of stopping anytime soon. ;)

It was released I think right after season 5? It is just the incidental music and themes (which disappointed me a bit but it's still interesting; probably would have been too expensive to get the rights to a lot of the classic rock) that we've seen on the show in those first few seasons. Some of the names they came up with are pretty cute/funny, like "Isn't it Bromantic?" "Salmon Dean in the Heartland"... One of them I recognized as the creepy music from Something Wicked when they were in the hospital and saw the old woman whom they first presumed to be the Shtriga. They titled that one "Ruby, so cute, so creepy" which puzzled me as Ruby hadn't even appeared on the show until two seasons later. I guess it's best not to take it seriously, though. LOL
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on November 6th, 2015 06:46 pm (UTC)
Haven't seen the ep yet but heard it's another good one. I think it was written by a new writer.