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02 December 2015 @ 10:38 pm
SPN #11x08 Just My Imagination (episode review)  
My thoughts on this episode...

Noooooooooo! Sam, don't go back in the cage!!!!

Ahem...now that I got that out of the way (though I will come back to it)...

The whole thing about these imaginary friends being actual mythical creatures...what were they called, sannas?...was an interesting premise, especially in the way they can make people see them. Though in the beginning I found it kind of tough to take them seriously. My mom who was also watching the show thought it was dumb and I think tuned out about halfway through. C'est la vie... But anyway, I think one of the highlights for me was the very beginning with Sam dressed in *one layer* with some yummy, tousled hair :D

Oh, and i thought the mom of the girl with Sparkle as the imaginary friend looked familiar. Turned out she played that realtor who was killed by all the spiders in the shower back in season 1's Bugs.

When I first read about this episode, people were saying that "oh, they're gonna show Dean as a mean bastard and that's why Sam needed an imaginary friend." But to be honest, it didn't really end up being that way to me. In the flashbacks, we see Dean talking on the phone to Sam and telling him he couldn't come along on the hunt, but Dean tried. Sounds like it was mainly John's say so. Yeah, Dean did rag on him a bit for having an imaginary friend, but it didn't seem malicious to me, just typical older brother stuff (and before you accuse me of being an Evil Dean Girl, reminder that I have always been more of a Sam girl even though I generally describe myself as bi-bro).

Speaking of the flashbacks, am I the only one who found it a bit hard to see that kid as young Sam? I mean, the shape of his eyes was pretty accurate and so was his build, but the hair? Young Sam usually had shaggier hair with bangs. Does this flashback take place after the one in AVSC? Even so, young Sam had shaggier hair in After School Special. I know Colin is too old to play him now, but still...the hair. Lol. I've read Wee!Chester fics about John cutting both boys' hair and often giving Sam shorter haircuts, so maybe in that respect it could work (hmm, fanon makes it into the show?). But still...

And did anyone else think it seemed a bit OOC for young Sam to suddenly up and decide to tell Sully to get lost when he was finally allowed on a hunt with Dean and John? I mean, earlier we see him talking about running away from hunting and then he does a 180. Was it just a seed in his head that sprouted forth every now and then? I mean, it does sort of foreshadow Sam deciding to leave and go to school later on. But for now we really see him being gung-ho about hunting. It brings to mind what Sam told Dean back in Fresh Blood, about how he was always following Dean around and trying to be like him. So yeah, I guess in a way it wasn't so OOC. I guess what got me is how sudden it seemed.

Sam and Dean as Bert and Ernie. Lol.

Okay, going back to Sam's visions... So he thinks God is telling him to get back into the cage with Lucifer? Again, are we really sure it's God who is sending him these visions? Could it actually be Lucifer? And of course we see that Dean doesn't want to talk about it and says there's another way. Honestly, that would be great. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Sam. I'd like to see him be a hero. But is anyone else getting flashbacks to season 5? Here we see Sam blaming himself for letting the Darkness out (even though Dean had a hand in that, too, and this was stated earlier on). Back in season 5, he blamed himself for letting Lucifer free. At the end of season 5, he said yes to Lucifer and jumped into the pit (and therefore was locked on the cage) to save the world. At the end of this season, he could lock himself in the cage to save the world from the Darkness? And he'd promise Dean not to save him as he did in Swan Song, and then somehow come back without a soul.

Maybe I'm getting waaaaaay ahead of myself here, but if this happens I think I'll be extremely pissed. I really don't want a carbon copy of season 5 because then it's all just too predictable to me. If it happened I'd think this would be the last season, because how on earth would Sam come back from that? Spending a whole season (12) with him as a ghost or whatever trying to contact Dean isn't what I'd want to see. I know, I know, "it's Sam's turn to die," and I know they always manage to come back, but what about what the reaper told Sam at the beginning of the season, that if they die they can't come back? I don't know, I'm not getting a good feeling about this. I hope I'll be proved wrong though.

I thought Richard did a good job directing. I still have to process this one, but there were some good moments.
 
 
 
 Late Night Drops of Random: Jared and Jensenmoondropz on December 3rd, 2015 05:18 am (UTC)
I was all set to not like this episode? But halfway through the middle it grew on me and I was rooting on the brothers to find whomever was killing the imaginary peopple. *G*
I loved the sweater look on both brothers. And no-I didn't feel as if you were coming across as mean with Dean. I felt the same way-older brother ribbing and he did try-John said no. But I did find it weird how quickly Sam changed his mind about the hunting life. That was odd to me too. I mean I do get that years later he does *run away* to school and stay gone for a few years? But yeah. Odd.
*Hugs*
jessm78jessm78 on December 3rd, 2015 10:12 pm (UTC)
That's kind of how I felt in the beginning (and I think my mom gave up -tsk!), but yeah, like you around the middle or so it grew on me. :)

Me too! They looked so cozy in them. *g* Awesome - so glad it's just not me who feels that way! Yeah, I was surprised he seemed to change his mind so quickly like that. percysowner below made a comment explaining away Sam's thought process there, and I guess it does make some sense. But yeah, when I first saw that I couldn't help think how jarring it was.
*hugs*
 Late Night Drops of Random: SWAT Sammoondropz on December 4th, 2015 05:44 pm (UTC)
It just grew on me, lol. I thought well, this just got interesting-hahahaa. I think I would have still watched it through even if it hadn't been growing on me. :)
Oh I loved seeing them in *Costume* once again! Tthe FBI for so long we see them in suits for ages now. So seeing them in costume and wearing those sweaters? amazing! And hot!
No-I thought the same thing. It was just too quick for me. And I forgot to mention that the boy playing Sam did not work for me either. He looked too different from Colin Ford? I know he's too old for the roll now? But yeah.
*Hugs*
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on December 5th, 2015 01:57 pm (UTC)
I think though I might be wrong here, that was the flashbacks not long after Sam found out about hunting?! So he really wanted to go because he wanted to make sure John and Dean where save?!

If not yes it wasn't like Sam but Sam could have just be fed up of being alone all the time.
 Late Night Drops of Random: *Iz Random* made for me-don't take!moondropz on December 5th, 2015 05:31 pm (UTC)
You could be right-in that case it would fit that he changed his mind so quickly!
percysownerpercysowner on December 5th, 2015 07:38 pm (UTC)
It definitely is very close to when Sam found out about hunting. AVSNC takes place Christmas 1991, so Sam is 9. They say Sully was his imaginary friend when he was 9, so this episode probably takes place March-April 1992 right before Sam's birthday. This is based on Sam's clothing which don't look like winter wear.
percysownerpercysowner on December 3rd, 2015 03:41 pm (UTC)
I think Sam was less interested in hunting, per se and more wanted to be part of the family. He'd just found out that he had been lied to for years about John's job and the basis of their lives. Now, he's being told that he's still not good enough to be part of the Winchester special club where we save people. He's still the outsider. Because it's clear that Dean started going with Dad on hunts when he was younger than Sam, then the reason Sam is being left out is because he's "too young" emotionally and not good enough to be a real Winchester. So he "puts away childish things", Sully, and goes to be a Winchester man.

Now to be fair, since Sam hasn't hunted, he has no real idea what he is getting into. Dean made it sound heroic and exciting and dangerous. But Sam hasn't seen something die or killed something or seen people torn to pieces by something. Kids often want to do something adult only to discover they hate the reality of what they previously glamorized.

Finally, because he's a kid, Sam can't see that once John sees Sam as a hunting resource, he will use Sam as a hunting resource. Sam is committing himself to a life that he really doesn't understand. We can infer that Sam quickly found out he didn't like the violence of hunting because in The Girl Next Door, Sam is left to research, indicating that he moved away from liking the process of hunting, but still was part of the Winchester Way by becoming research guy.

To me it wasn't a choice between Sully and hunting, it was a choice between Sully and being part of his family. Family won, although eventually wanting to go to college won and then lost as Sam's life caught up with him.
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: kissing on 11x03 setjessm78 on December 3rd, 2015 09:44 pm (UTC)
Can I just say... *applauds* Seriously, that is a very good way of thinking of it, and something I really hadn't even thought of right after I watched it. But it makes a lot of sense and kind of fits in with what we saw in the Girl Next Door flashbacks. Thank you for bringing up that it was a choice between Sully and family. I think that really is at the heart of it.

This makes so much sense, so... thanks :)
Trystan: jensen *guh*trystan830 on December 3rd, 2015 07:42 pm (UTC)
did someone say you were an evil Dean girl? LOL. fandom.

part of me wonders when Sam told Sully he was going on a hunt with Dad and Dean... he was really actually running away, maybe based on that previous conversation about running away.

you know i liked it. Richard did a good job directing, too!
jessm78: Supernatural: Dean promo (jessm78 on December 3rd, 2015 09:49 pm (UTC)
LOL! I used to have this person on my flist who was so OTT she once got close to calling me one. Guess I'm still a tad defensive 'cause you never know if there are any "sleeper" fandom fanatics around (especially since I made this post public). ;)

Actually, that thought had crossed my mind as well. I don't think that idea ever truly left him, since we know he did eventually run away to school.

Upon further reflection, I found I liked it too!
Trystan: Supernatural2trystan830 on December 3rd, 2015 09:56 pm (UTC)
I'm a Dean girl, but i'm also a Supernatural fan! (Also, OTT?)

Yeah, that was rhe final 'running away' was college.

:)
jessm78jessm78 on December 3rd, 2015 10:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, by that I mean "over the top." :)

There are some forums I've left because of some of the awful Sam vs. Dean arguments. Almost made me ashamed to be a Supernatural fan. :/ But luckily I don't have that problem here with all the awesome friends I have.
Trystantrystan830 on December 4th, 2015 03:30 am (UTC)
ah, gotcha.

and yeah, i do know what you mean about Dean v. Sam, and wanting to hide from every one else..... it's why i'm pretty much out of the fandom now.
percysownerpercysowner on December 3rd, 2015 09:57 pm (UTC)
And he ran away when they were in Flagstaff Arizona. Dean was still pissed about it when he saw Sam in the cabin with the dog Bones and his pizza boxes. Sam was still desperately unhappy as a child.
jessm78jessm78 on December 3rd, 2015 10:29 pm (UTC)
Yep, I remember that too. I felt bad for Sam in that scene when he was with his dog and the pizza boxes.
Yellowbulma: Sam cute smileyellowbulma on December 5th, 2015 10:38 pm (UTC)
When I 1st heard about the episode I was kinda dreading it and thinking it would just be a full ep taking the piss outta Sam for have an imaginary friend.

Never been so happy to be wrong before.

I loved how the played/wrote imaginary friend's.

Sully was adorable and how awesome was it for Sam to final get told he's a hero and he saved the world!!!

The Wee!Sam and Sully scene's where adorable and heartbreaking. Sully's face when Wee!Sam told him he didn't need him anymore.

Also loved Sully's and Sam's talk. Nate and Jared had great chemistry and my poor baby Sam needed someone to talk too.

Also the girl that play Reese was awesome she really made me feel her pain and anger about her sister. Seriously been a LONG time since a spn nearly made me cry never made twice in one ep.

So glad nothing happened to Sully and would love for him to return one day. Jared seemed really excited about that idea in an interview saying how Sully was like Sam's Castiel etc.

The ep as been getting good reviews and was the highest rate ep of the season. Which being a rare Sam POV ep makes me happy and hopeful that Carver pay's attention and stops with all the side characters ep's and gives us more brother ep's.

Also Richard did a great job and I hope he director's another ep in the future.

Edited at 2015-12-05 10:44 pm (UTC)
jessm78: Jared Padalecki: Friday 13th textlessjessm78 on December 6th, 2015 01:10 am (UTC)
Yeah, honestly in the first few mins I didn't think I could take Sully or the other imaginary friends very seriously. But that definitely changed about halfway through.

I agree, I loved how Sully told Sam he saved the world and was so encouraging to him. :)

I was kind of surprised that Wee!Sam just suddenly told Sully he didn't need him anymore (though talking to a few other friends I understand why), and Sully's reaction was heartbreaking. :/

Honestly I agree with your whole comment hon. I thought Nate and Jared played off each other very well. I loved their talk. It'd be awesome to have Sully back again.

I heard it got great reviews and I'm so glad. Richard did do a great job and hopefully he'll be back to direct. :)
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on December 6th, 2015 07:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah I think Sam was just so worried about Dean and John and wanted to be with them to make sure they where safe. Also wee!Sam didn't know Sully was real and wanted to prove he wasn't a "baby" anymore.

Honest to god Jess I have re-watched 11x08 4 time's already which I have not done in the last three season's. XD


MoSinging1986: SPN - that's awesomemosinging1986 on December 6th, 2015 04:22 am (UTC)
Okay, is my memory COMPLETELY shot? Did we see Sully before? I honestly can't remember!

I was a bit nervous when it began. I thought kids + adult "imaginary friends" would be creepy. But it ended up not having that vibe. Sully was so sweet and innocent! I had to keep pausing when the girl had the knife to him because I really, really didn't want him to die.

The opening with Sam looking so confused and childlike, trying to absorb the fact that Sully was real, and then Dean SEEING him too ("I'm gonna go get my gun") had me cracking up!

No one can ever match Colin Ford for Baby!Sam. I've had to resign myself to that. But this kid did okay for me. He was a bit prettier than necessary, but I guess that's okay. It would've worked better with shaggier hair, but that's a nitpick on my part. He had the sad eyes and that eager, wistful look about him.

Sam's change in deciding to go with his dad and Dean instead of running away did seem a bit sudden. But kids can be that way sometimes. It wasn't the running away that he really wanted. He wanted to feel a part of the family. That's a deep and desperate need people have, especially kids. It did break my heart how cruel he was to poor Sully. But again, kids can be that way, especially when they are in pain.

I loved that grown Sam ended up apologizing to Sully for the way he treated him all those years ago. That's one of the many reasons I love him. He's so very sweet!

Edited at 2015-12-06 04:24 am (UTC)