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09 December 2015 @ 10:29 pm
SPN #11x09 O Brother Where Art Thou? (episode review)  
Here are some of my thoughts on this episode on first viewing...I hope these make sense...


Now that I've got that out...heh...

I was preparing to roll my eyes as soon as I saw the angels back, although they didn't annoy me as much as I expected them to...they're all uniting against Amara, blah blah blah...but of course she's now a bigger force than they can take on. So they were preparing to smite her at the end...how is that gonna turn out?

Dean still thinks it's a horrible idea for Sam to go into the Cage and talk to Lucifer, even though Sam insists that God is giving him these visions and telling him to do it. Okay I have to say that even the first time he said this, I started having doubts that it was God telling him this. I wondered if it could actually have been Lucifer. And wow, I was right. It really wasn't all that much of a surprise to me, really. I had a feeling that Sam would end up duped. And yeah, I really felt so bad for him because he SO BELIEVED that this was God telling him to do this, that it would be a way to make things right.

Speaking of Lucifer, it was good to see Mark P again, although would Lucifer still have that meat suit? I mean, Nick basically disintegrated back in season 5. And yeah, I know he looked that way in season 7, but I assumed that would have worked because he was essentially a hallucination back then, sort of the way Sam was used to seeing him. Are we just supposed to handwave it again? Meh, maybe I'm just being too picky.

I'm assuming it wasn't a good idea to trust Rowena as much as they should have, either. Did she have a hand in tricking them with the trap or whatever for Lucifer not holding at the end there? Crowley seemed surprised by it, but she didn't seem to bat an eyelash as she hurried the two of them away.

I did like the fact though that Dean insisted in bargaining with her to ensure Sam's safety (another reason I believe she wasn't totally honest). As for Dean and Amara, geez that's some hold she's got on him. He was actually able to sense her presence? And that kiss....um. Gee. Gotta say that even after that I was glad he didn't seem to totally buy what she was selling. And then taking out the blade and trying to kill her...oh Dean...yeah, that wasn't gonna work. And now he ends up back from whence he came. I wonder when he'll try to figure out what's happening with Sam?

Back to Sam, I spent a good part of this episode wanting to give him such a big hug. I mean, he was trying to get Dean on the phone before they descended into Hell to the Cage (and Dean doesn't answer since that b!tch has him under her spell...*sigh*). You could tell he was really uneasy about doing this. And I was almost worried that he'd agree to be Lucifer's vessel...notice I said almost, lol. I thought he'd have to be stupid to go down that road again, but nope, our Sammy refused to do that.

So what happens now with Sam stuck in the Cage? I assume he's going to get out somehow, because...well, I just do...and I won't say anymore for fear of spoiling those who wish to remain unspoiled. ;) But still, even if he does, is it possible that Lucifer could somehow "hitch a ride"? I'd kinda hope not, after that whole annoying (IMO anyway) Ezekiel/Gadreel thing 2 seasons ago. And is it possible that this will be revisited at the end of the season with yet another Swan Song? Personally I really hope not and I guess I'm getting way ahead of myself so I'll be quiet about that now.

No more new SPN for over a month, gah!! Guess I'll rewatch the first half till then.
KCSkcscribbler on December 10th, 2015 01:07 am (UTC)
I'm with you on pretty much everything - I was so afraid those visions were coming from the Cage instead of God, just seemed likely given that Lucifer's been in Sam's head before. And I just wanted to give him a hug at the end, poor guy, he looked so heartbroken after wanting to believe for so long they were real. :(

I figured Rowena was going to screw them over, though I thought maybe they would go the route of her being a more than willing fangirl vessel for lucifer, glad they didn't.

I wonder if the fact that Dean killed Death will have any relevance on whether or not Dean could have access to the Cage now, since Death had access originally? If he gets his head out of his ass and gets a move on. >:(

Such a long hiatus, though!

Edited at 2015-12-10 04:08 am (UTC)
jessm78jessm78 on December 10th, 2015 07:45 pm (UTC)
Same here. And I nearly missed it the first time, but seeing that one single tear roll down his cheek just killed me. :(

Ooh, that's a very interesting thought, and it makes a lot of sense to me. I hope he will... hopefully the hold Amara has on him won't influence him to keep him from getting to Sam.

Oh, I know. Has it ever been this long before?
mangacat201mangacat201 on December 10th, 2015 05:15 am (UTC)
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH... I'm totally flashed by this episode (and Jared's performance, jeez, that was some hot stuff) because MARK P! I mean, of course it's a convenient and much appreciated way to bring back a beloved guest star, but I wasn't much fazed by the mechanics of it. To me, they're in hell where power and dimension works differently than up top and Lucifer may choose to appear as he likes, because he's not actually corporeal in the earthbound physical sense there, right?
I wasn't entirely surprised that the visions came from him, but damn if I couldn't shake the impact of the reveal anyway. I really like that the Darkness has an unacceptable agenda in terms of treating the whole world as collateral in her - no pun intended - universal perspective, but that she's not all out cackling evil. The menace coming from humanity being so small in her perception is much more interesting than just smashing stuff for the heck of it. I'm really looking forward to see it play out. Too bad we have to wait such a long time now AAAAAAARGH.
jessm78: Supernatural: Sam ZOMG (5x18)jessm78 on December 10th, 2015 10:35 pm (UTC)
Same here!! And yeah, I think I was just waaaaay overthinking it. I could totally see Lucifer appearing however he likes.

I agree. She has this kind of ... for lack of a better way to put it... subtle evil (well, not subtle in the way she kills people and angels, but it's not all out cackling like you said).

I am too, especially considering the bond she has with Dean and how that's going to play out. Oh I know, this hellatus is going to kill me!
casey679casey679 on December 10th, 2015 04:34 pm (UTC)
I think Lucifer's meatsuit appearance is currently irrelevant specifically because he's in Hell - as he said, up there he'd just be smoke without Sam. In Hell, he can look like whatever he chooses.

I was frustrated at first with Sam's insistence that God was speaking to him, because from the very first time young John Winchester smirked at him and said "I never could fool you," I knew it had to be Lucifer.

But then I thought about it, how heart-breakingly accurate to Sam's character it is that all along, he's been the one who didn't break faith with God. All along he's wanted to believe he didn't have to be evil, that he could be good, redeemable, clean, that he could *do* good.

He's been the one to keep believing long after other (rational) people stop. When Cas lost his faith in Dean, Sam continued to believe Dean wouldn't say yes to Michael. When Cas went evil, Sam believed there was still good left in him. When Dean became a demon, Sam believed he could be saved.

No matter how much heaven fucked Sam over, there's those few moments of grace - God (or someone) moving them to an airplane, away from Lucifer and Castiel being restored from Death after Lucifer killed him - to give him hope that God is still there. And any psych major in college can tell you that inconsistent reinforcement is the most powerful kind there is. It's his weak spot, one Lucifer had to have known painfully well, and it makes sense that he would be able to exploit and manipulate it masterfully.

I have to give Jared serious chops for the acting in this one. He looked so scared and traumatized in his bravery.
jessm78jessm78 on December 10th, 2015 10:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can totally get that. Like I was saying I was being too picky. It was just something I was overthinking.

I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking about that scene with young John too. The way he smirked at him and the way he spoke to him was kind of reminiscent of Lucifer. And yes, that is so accurate to Sam's character, so it does (in a sad way, I agree) make sense that he'd still have faith - not just in God but in all those he cared about.

It really does make sense, and this whole reveal of Lucifer's makes me worry now. I've been reading other fan speculations and they seem to think that Lucifer will just eat away at Sam's faith to the point where it will get him to say yes to him. I'm really hoping not. I want to see Sam be strong and know there is something worth fighting for. Based on an interview Jared gave about this episode and the next, I'm not too worried, though.

Totally agree; Jared did such a wonderful job with this one.
mosinging1986 on December 11th, 2015 11:40 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to watch now, but I had to spoil myself by reading most of this because... I just couldn't take it. This show skirts way too close to making God evil and I can't stand that. Most of this mythology is so bizarre that it's unrecognizable from actual Christian theology, so it usually doesn't bother me too much. Or something.


Now, on to finishing this. Sigh...
jessm78jessm78 on December 12th, 2015 12:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've got more to say on that, but I'll PM you.
Yellowbulma: Sam/Lucifer with meyellowbulma on December 13th, 2015 04:35 pm (UTC)
Sooooooooooo much better then last years side character filled bullshit.

Honestly I didn't hate the Dean/Amara scene's it's just I'm more interested in Sam's visions/the cage. So every-time we cut back to Dean/Amara I was like I wanna See Sam and Lucifer. Though I do find Amara interesting and I did like seeing her and Dean kiss. Anything that pisses off the Destiel shippers makes me happy.

knew Rowena would screw them over and it's pretty clear she's smitten with Lucifer. Though I don't know if she is trying to suck up to Lucifer or just took her chance to get rid of one of the Winchesters.

Jared and Mark where amazing in this episode and it was great to see Mark/Lucifer again but also heart breaking. I didn't think Sam would be stuck in the cage again. The poor guy as to go face his worst nightmare once again.

I knew but (still hoped) it wasn't God helping Sam and I'm still kinda hoping Lucifer is lying. But after this I really hope we don't get God/Chuck coming last min and saving the day, he doesn't deserve the credit.

When Dean finds out he is going to be pissed. Also time run's faster in hell so god knows how long Sam will be in there by the time he is saved. ;A;
jessm78: Supernatural: Puppy Sam in 7x05jessm78 on December 14th, 2015 01:59 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with that, hon! It was great to have it focused more on the boys and not that same crap from last year.

Heh, I was like that myself. And I agree with that too ;) I've heard people are now wondering if Dean is soulless because Amara didn't steal his soul (like she couldn't?) and kissed him instead.

Oh yeah, she was totally fangirling Lucifer there. That's a good question and I wonder if we'll learn more when the show comes back.

Me too. :( I felt so bad for him there, especially when tears started rolling down his face. I'm really hoping that Lucifer is lying too. I'd hate for Sam to lose his faith. I have to wonder though, is Sam actually in the Cage because this "cage" into which they summoned Lucifer was in Purgatory, kind of like a holding cell so does that mean Sam is actually stuck in that or is he in the actual cage in Hell? I think I might have missed something there but yeah, when Dean finds out he is going to be pissed. :/ I hope Sam won't be in there too long.