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25 May 2016 @ 10:27 pm
SPN #11x23 Alpha and Omega (episode review)  
Here are my thoughts, I hope they're somewhat coherent...

Okay, WTF??!!

Heh, I'll come back to this later...

I dunno, this finale left me a bit... Underwhelmed? Maybe it was the pacing, maybe it also was about some of the outcome.

Starting at the beginning... Everyone's in the bunker having their pity parties. Chuck is dying, Dean's drinking (which is par for course whenever he's trying to deal with something), Crowley's finding something to drink, wa wa wah, we can't stop Amara, bla bla blah. Sam seems to be the only one who wants to defeat her. The sun is now dying and everything along with it.

The Dean/Cas car scene made me groan at first but it was rather short. Dean tells Cas he's a good friend of his and Sam's but then says he's a brother? Um...does he mean in terms of "brother" as in a term of endearment (like guy friends who say "hey brother" to each other), or as in he sees him as a brother the same as Sam is?

They come up with the idea to make a bomb of souls to take out Amara. The geek girl in me loved that they went to Waverly Hills Sanitarium. I've read about all the history and the legends of ghosts, so it was cool to me personally.

The British girl...meh, I think they made her scenes a little too long. I've read that she has appeared on AMC's Turn. Anyone else who watches that show as well, do you know who she plays in that show? I watch it regularly and I can't place her.

Billie shows up at the bunker and offers up more souls for the bomb. Dean has to deliver it, no, actually BE the bomb to take out Amara. Speaking of which, while she was talking to that old woman in the park, did anyone get the sense that she was starting to...I don't know, have a change of heart? The way she looked at the pigeons and the sad look on her face when the woman was talking about her son.

The cemetery scene almost broke my heart. I guess Sam and Dean were at Mary's grave as one last visit before Dean was going to go to his death? The look on Sam's face is so unbearable :( And the hug...we didn't really have many brother moments at all in this episode, but this was pretty nice.

Am I the only one who was left wanting when Amara zapped Chuck over to where she and Dean were, and they just kinda...made up? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm glad that earth was spared and that Chuck is okay, but wow, Amara went from being a big bad to "hey everything's cool." And then Chuck gets the bomb out of Dean. And, yeah, I'm glad Dean didn't get blown up, but it seemed a little too ex deus machina to me.

And poor Sam assumes that Dean is dead. :( I suddenly got chills, thinking he was going to try and kill himself to have Billie take him away, at least thinking back to Red Meat and the implications in it. But he returns to the bunker with Cas and they find...someone lying there dead and bloody. I assume it's Rowena?

Turns out British girl ended her (and Crowley I'm assuming?) and then she zaps Cas away. Shit, she's pointing a gun at Sam and wants to take him away for all his crimes (um, okay...???). And she pulls the trigger. NOOOOOO!!

Amara gives something to Dean that he's always wanted. He ends up somewhere...no idea where and he sees Mary???

Okay, so where exactly is Dean? Is he actually alive and on earth somewhere? Is he in Heaven? And Saaaaaaam, PLEASE tell me she didn't actually kill him! We only saw her shoot the gun. We didn't hear him cry out and we didn't see any blood splattering, so I'm going to cross every one of my extremities that he is still alive. I mean, he has to be, right? If he's dead, he'll just end up in the Empty.

And again, where is Dean, is he alive, and what is going on with Mary? Is she a ghost?

To sum up, I wasn't thrilled with most of this episode, but this cliffhanger will kill me till the new season starts. I guess British girl might be a new baddie in the new season? I guess we'll find out. Gah, this hiatus is going to be maddening.
percysownerpercysowner on May 25th, 2016 11:58 pm (UTC)
I really disliked the episode, except for the Crowley snark. However, I think they were clearing the decks of God and Amara and laying the groundwork for next season. So they shuffled G/A off the show. Maybe Amara brought Mary back to life? If they find a way to have Mary in next season, for more than the first episode, I will be somewhat happier, but we will see where the heck they are going with this.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 12:25 am (UTC)
Yeah, the Crowley snark was amusing. I rolled my eyes at the whining most of them were doing, so I think the Crowley snark was like a breath of fresh air to that.

Hmm, that does sort of make sense. I am curious to see how Mary will be used next season, and how much she'd be in it.

Right now I'm holding onto hope that Sam is still alive. Hopefully the British girl just got him in the shoulder or fired off a warning shot. Please, no Sam going into the Empty and waiting to find out how Dean and/or Mary will get him out - or if they will at all :/

Edited at 2016-05-26 03:26 am (UTC)
percysownerpercysowner on May 26th, 2016 12:38 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Sam is alive. I'm fairly sure that Sam will be shoved in a closet/prison cell/torture chamber/room in the English MOL headquarters and get about 10 seconds of screen time an episode while Dean, Cas, Mary, Crowley, Rowena and whoever else save people and hunt things while saying "we should look for Sam" every episode.

I'm not a happy camper right now.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 12:55 am (UTC)
Yeah, it seemed that that bitch wanted him alive to "bring him in" so I can't see her killing him. The thing I don't get is aren't the MOL supposed to be good? Is she assuming that Sam and Dean aren't MOLs, or does she belong to some kind of rogue faction? It didn't really make any sense to me and it seems stupid that she's blaming them for everything that's happening.

I seriously hope that doesn't happen but I'm not getting any good vibes from it. Maybe I should just not watch next season at all. :(
percysownerpercysowner on May 26th, 2016 01:03 am (UTC)
I'm contemplating not watching as well. I'll give it a while to see if I calm down about the way this season went. It's sad, I was really enjoying it until the very end of the season, now, I'm not sure.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 01:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, same here. Sometimes my opinions change a little once I sit back and absorb everything. I'll also see what the boys say (especially Jared) about what's coming up...see if I can get a feel for it based on any early interviews. Lord knows I kept threatening not to watch season 10 and I ended up doing so anyway (even though I didn't care for it and I still haven't bought the DVD set). It is sad, though, I agree. I really liked the first half of this season quite a bit. The second half and especially the end? Not so much.
Traycer: coming stormtraycer_ on May 26th, 2016 12:09 am (UTC)
Before she and God left, Amara told Dean that she was going to give him the same "gift" that he gave her - she got her brother back, so she gave him his mother. Oh man, I really can't wait to see how this all works out!!!

Oh, and I think he's alive and on Earth because Mary was confused and looking for help - probably because she was brought back to life and just dumped somewhere. Maybe near her grave...

Edited at 2016-05-26 03:15 am (UTC)
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 12:21 am (UTC)
I seriously thought there was some catch to it, as in Mary still being some kind of supernatural being, but if it's as simple as brining her back alive....wow! And yes I am anxious to see how that would play out!

Now that you mention it, I think you're right. I was confused at first when I heard the crying out for help...almost as if it sounded like a young girl but it does all make sense with the idea of her being brought back to life and so confused as she was dumped somewhere.
allaboutweather: pic#124968065allaboutweather on May 26th, 2016 12:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, that pity party was stupid, as if they were all (sans Sam) thinking "fuck this, it's over", God included.

I kinda hate the British lady. Sam and Dean save the world and she tries to arrest them? She'll probably spend next season hunting Dean down for all we know!

percysownerpercysowner on May 26th, 2016 01:12 am (UTC)
The second the British lady sees Dean she will know that he is good and pure and had nothing whatsoever to do with the bad things that have happened. She will meet Cas and tell him that although Sam's very small part in releasing the Leviathans is unforgivable, Cas was completely right in what he did. We will then get a repeat of how Sam was WRONG to release Lucifer in season four and WRONG to not release him in season eleven and Cas was RIGHT to help Sam release Lucifer in season four and RIGHT to release Lucifer in season eleven.
allaboutweather: pic#124968065allaboutweather on May 26th, 2016 09:11 am (UTC)
I'm not too sure about that. She doesn't sound very reasonable at the moment.
jessm78: Supernatural: Brothers (from ELAC)jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 01:33 am (UTC)
Yep, I agree.

Me too. I'm not impressed with her character at all, even the introduction of her. It doesn't make sense to me. From all the info she has on them, the mugshots and everything, it looks like they'd been tracking Sam and Dean for quite a while. Does she know they're fellow Men of Letters and why does she have it out for them?

I think she will be after them too. I guess she (or her group) will be the baddie next season, which is kinda lame...no supernatural being, just fellow Men of Letters.
flatlanderjrflatlanderjr on May 26th, 2016 08:33 am (UTC)
She seemed to know a lot about Dean, Sam and Cas but she still got too many details wrong. The Men of Letters have always struck me as being too prideful and far too easy to infiltrate and damage; they also may have knowledge but they don't seem to have very good deductive reasoning skills or strategy skills. They think one person is all they need to send to take on Dean and Sam? That's totally in-character for them. What doesn't make any sense to me is why they've chosen the day the sun was dying to come out of obscurity to "bring in" Dean and Sam.

I doubt she'll be the baddie. If the season finale/premiers of the last few seasons are any indication, she'll be a problem for one episode, maybe two, and then she'll either be dead or she'll go back to England and we'll never hear from her again, and the rest of the season will be devoted to something else.
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 11:33 am (UTC)
I noticed that too. They definitely have their weaknesses. And I agree, I'm not sure why they would have waited until then to suddenly go after the boys.

That does sound like a possibility. I remember during season 6 we thought all the Alpha monsters would be the baddie(s), then Eve, but she was taken care of a few episodes before the finale. That far out I never would have guessed at what was going to happen with Cas (and then the Leviathans for next season).
digitalwavedigitalwave on May 26th, 2016 03:17 am (UTC)
She really pissed me off! You don't get to come threaten and talk down to the boys when you've done nothing at all to help them all these years.
allaboutweather: pic#124968065allaboutweather on May 26th, 2016 09:10 am (UTC)
Seriously, does she spend all her time in that secret basement? She probably doesn't get much sun (and no, God dying causing the sun to get weaker isn't an excuse). XD
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 11:33 am (UTC)
Ditto! It really didn't make much sense (if any) to me at all.
flatlanderjrflatlanderjr on May 26th, 2016 08:22 am (UTC)
Wow, everyone who's commented so far had far different reactions to this episode than I did.

I loved it. I agree that it was a good cliffhanger ending, but I also enjoyed the rest of the ep. Supernatural has always been low-key and doesn't do big, dramatic fight scenes like, for instance, Buffy, so I was expecting a low-key season finale that was more about family conflict than action and fighting. I didn't mind the pity party at all. I do think it was unexpected how quickly all of them gave up trying to fight Amara after "We Happy Few," but I also noticed how little convincing they all needed to return to the fight once Sam came up with a new plan.

I liked the scene between Cas and Dean in the Impala, but I've always been a Cas and Dean friendship/relationship fan (either one is fine with me).

I loved the ghost-hunting scene -- it was an escalation from their usual ghost hunts, since it involved dozens of ghosts instead of a total of 1-3. I liked that Dean and Sam came there, completely confident that they could walk out of there safely, but they still got roughed up a bit by the ghosts: it felt like a reminder that Dean and Sam may be big players now but the small-time monsters/players can still be a big problem for them. I think it was very silly that the magic word was "haggis" and I wish that Dean's terrible Scottish accent hadn't gotten screen time; those are my only problems with that sequence.

The British girl scenes didn't seem long to me on the first viewing of the episode, but I skipped over them on the second viewing. So, I guess I agree with you about that.

I agree that Amara was having a change of heart when the woman showed up to feed the pigeons. And I agree about the cemetery scene, although it was a little strange to me that Rowena and Crowley were there, acting oddly empathetic to Dean as if they suddenly care.

I'm not surprised that Amara and Chuck were able to make up, personally. Something like that had to happen, seeing as how the universe was going to be destroyed if one of them died, and Amara implied that killing both of them wouldn't help the universe stay in existence, either.

"And, yeah, I'm glad Dean didn't get blown up, but it seemed a little too ex deus machina to me."
Well, Chuck's God, so anything he does is "deus ex machina," really. So that didn't bother me.

"But he returns to the bunker with Cas and they find...someone lying there dead and bloody. I assume it's Rowena?" I thought someone was dead, too, at first, when that bloody hand appeared in the shot, but then the British girl activates the blood sigil that banishes Cas, and I figured the bloody hand was hers. Rowena and Crowley weren't in the scene.

The moment British girl's wall of info/mug shots of Dean and Sam appeared in the episode, I figured she was going to shoot at least one of them and that was how the episode was going to end. I wasn't disappointed. I figure she probably missed or didn't get anything vital. I also think she didn't really want to shoot him; she got a look on her face in the last second she was on-screen that seemed to say, "Oh, bollocks, I didn't mean to do that" (and considering how cliche, stuck-up British she was, she probably uses only British curse words).

"Amara gives something to Dean that he's always wanted. He ends up somewhere...no idea where and he sees Mary???
I think Dean was just wandering around after walking out of the garden/park and not sure where the park was physically located on Earth. I assumed he was on Earth, but maybe you're right and he's not. And I assumed that Amara brought Mary back to life, although that is a bit strange, since Amara's powers lie in destruction and not in restoring life.
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 11:48 am (UTC)
I think one reason why I felt kind of down on it was that I probably went into it with my expectations too high (which is not really my thing as the past few years or so I've learned to keep them pretty low). I guess it was all the run up to it with the "you'll be the bomb" and reading so much speculation from other fans.

As for the Cas/Dean scene, I think their scenes have been ruined for me by some of the OTT Destiel shippers I've seen online who despise Sam/Jared. It irks me how easily certain people can taint things for me. :/

I did enjoy the ghost-hunting scene, too. It felt more old school to me, almost reminded me a bit of Asylum from season 1 where they were in that abandoned building trying to find the ghosts. And lol, I agree, Dean's Scottish accent was pretty cringeworthy.

Now that you mention it, I think you're right about it being the British girl's hand. Makes sense to me. I do wonder now what happened to Rowena and Crowley. I guess they didn't go back to the bunker, just Sam and Cas.

To be honest, when I was watching that scene and she kept pointing the gun at Sam, I was almost yelling at the screen "What are you doing?? Stop walking towards her, she might be crazy enough to actually shoot you!" I'm inclined to agree, though, I'm guessing (hoping, anyway) that she missed or maybe grazed his shoulder. We didn't see any blood or hear him fall to the floor or anything.

I am wondering now if Dean actually is still on Earth. It sounded like Mary was calling out for help or asking where she was, so it would make sense if she was just plucked from wherever and dropped randomly somewhere on Earth. I agree that Mary being brought back to life doesn't really make sense as far as Amara's powers go. Could it be possible that she was aided by Chuck somehow?
flatlanderjrflatlanderjr on June 2nd, 2016 01:53 am (UTC)
>> As for the Cas/Dean scene, I think their scenes have been ruined for me by some of the OTT Destiel shippers I've seen online who despise Sam/Jared. It irks me how easily certain people can taint things for me. :/

I think I know what you mean -- I've seen Destiel fics where Sam is treated like crap, and I don't like those, either. I've never really understood where that hostility was coming from, since I like Sam, Dean and Cas equally.

>>I am wondering now if Dean actually is still on Earth. It sounded like Mary was calling out for help or asking where she was, so it would make sense if she was just plucked from wherever and dropped randomly somewhere on Earth. I agree that Mary being brought back to life doesn't really make sense as far as Amara's powers go. Could it be possible that she was aided by Chuck somehow?

Yeah, maybe Chuck helped Amara bring back Mary. Or maybe Mary has nothing to do with Chuck or Amara.
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 26th, 2016 12:16 pm (UTC)
I thought the episode was great!! I was worried after the last two episode's it wouldn't be that good but even though it didn't have much bro moments, it was enjoyable to watch.

BTW how fucking cute was it that Chuck was resting his head on Sam's chest. Never thought I would be jealous of God......

My only main issue was during Castiel and Dean's talk, which I did like it and it was short but the desithellers have ruined Dean/Castiel scene's for me. Anyway when Dean said that Castiel saying yes/the whole Lucifer thing was right and it took strength blah blah. Was a fucking joke, we have had stupid and God awful lines in Supernatural before but this one take's the biscuit. Just thankful the scene was short and it wasn't Sam that said it.

Rowena and Crowley where again one the highlights of the ep. When we don't have to sit through their family drama together, they always make me laugh. Loved Crowley calling Sam, Samantha and it's pretty clear Crowley as a thing for Billie.

I low key ship them now.

Loved the brother hug and Dean handing Sam the keys (again) to the Impala BUT WHERE'S THE FUCKING SAMULET?! I would have adored for Dean to have given that to Sam too. Or put it on infront of Sam.

I could have done with some more Sam/Dean moments but "I need him and he needs me." Was great.

When the British bitch 1st came on screen I just wanted to go back to the boy's. Then when she shot Sam. This is the 2nd British bitch that as shot Sam. Enough already.

I guess she's going to take poor Sam back to England for his "crimes". Oh Dean and Mary go save Sam!!!

Dean is back on earth and Mary is alive. (hand on my heart I wasn't expecting that. I knew she was going to make an appearance to Dean but I thought as a ghost, not alive.) I believe this was Amara rewarding Dean for helping reuniting her with her brother.

All and all it was jaw dropping but for me we have had worst. One I will defiantly watch again.

So worried for my Sammy but I love that Mary is back and get's to be with her boy's. When Sam see's her I'm going to loss it.
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 01:06 pm (UTC)
I admit I like this one better after rewatching it and thinking on it some more. I suppose I had set my expectations too high after reading a lot of fan speculation online...I really need to stop that LOL

I almost missed that on first watch but YES it was adorable! Oh, to be Chuck ;)

That was the issue I had with it too. I almost go into every Dean/Cas scene groaning because of how the Dessies have ruined it. I heard a few of them were saying that Destiel is now canon?? Please... And yeah, I thought that line was ridiculous too, I was rolling me eyes.

I loved it when Crowley called Sam "Samantha" too, lol. I loved his snarky comments throughout. I seriously was worried that the British bitch had killed them at the end when I saw the hand with the blood dripping, but then I remembered they didn't seem to go back to the bunker. So they both must still be out there somewhere. :)

I did notice a little somethin' somethin' between Crowley and Billie. That look she gave him seemed pretty meaningful. :)

I would have given anything to see the Samulet! Even if Dean just reached into his pocket and gave it back to Sam.. Gah!

Yeah, I know they had to introduce her character and all that but I was anxious for them to get back to the boys. And I am really holding onto hope that she either missed or just grazed Sam's arm when she shot the gun. We didn't see any blood or hear him fall to the floor, so I'm really hoping he's okay.

It's awesome to see Mary back, I really hope she and Dean will find out that Sam is in trouble and get him back (and yeah, if Sam's reaction will be anything like the one when he saw her in season 5 I think I'm going to lose it a well). I also hope they don't do a time jump like they did from season 9 to 10. I need to know what exactly happened when she shot the gun and of course Dean and Mary's reunion. If they do a jump and then just explain what happened in flashbacks I will be so disappointed...it just seems so lazy to me. Fingers crossed!!
percysownerpercysowner on May 26th, 2016 01:29 pm (UTC)
As far as the gunshot. She could have grazed Sam. Someone (Crowley, Rowena) could have come down the stairs and shot her. Sam could have rushed her at the last minute and no one was shot. It's pretty ambiguous.
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 04:08 pm (UTC)
That's a possibility too. We really have no idea where Crowley and Rowena are, so yeah, I guess it could be anything. I just hope we find out exactly what it was when the new season starts.
catnthecradlecatnthecradle on May 26th, 2016 03:26 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one who got a Crowley/Billie vibe?
jessm78jessm78 on May 26th, 2016 03:50 pm (UTC)
Nope, I didn't think much about it when I first watched but upon rewatch it definitely looked like there was something there. :)
Yellowbulmayellowbulma on May 26th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)
No I notice it during my first watch and that little smile he did when Billie said his name. =3